Gas mileage: can we control it?
#31
Originally Posted by bluejay432000
I was laughed at when I posted similar results a couple of years ago. If you take off slow and let it slowly get up to speed, it takes more fuel than if you punch it harder and get up to speed much quicker, staying in the lower gears for a shorter period of time.
Accelerating the same Mass over a shorter period of time = more work = more energy required. Physics 101.
Yer single best indicator of fuel efficiency is Throttle Position - monitor TPS with whatever (Scangauge, Edge, LiveWire, ChitHawk, whatever) and keep it as small as possible for a given rate of travel. And make sure yer TC is Locked. And yer parking brake is off, lol.
Peyote will only alter yer perception, not the facts.
Deek
Last edited by MGDfan; 11-19-2007 at 09:13 AM.
#32
Originally Posted by MGDfan
And I'm still laughing, because this remains a crock.
Accelerating the same Mass over a shorter period of time = more work = more energy required. Physics 101.
Yer single best indicator of fuel efficiency is Throttle Position - monitor TPS with whatever (Scangauge, Edge, LiveWire, ChitHawk, whatever) and keep it as small as possible for a given rate of travel. And make sure yer TC is Locked. And yer parking brake is off, lol.
Peyote will only alter yer perception, not the facts.
Deek
Accelerating the same Mass over a shorter period of time = more work = more energy required. Physics 101.
Yer single best indicator of fuel efficiency is Throttle Position - monitor TPS with whatever (Scangauge, Edge, LiveWire, ChitHawk, whatever) and keep it as small as possible for a given rate of travel. And make sure yer TC is Locked. And yer parking brake is off, lol.
Peyote will only alter yer perception, not the facts.
Deek
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#33
The EPA has recently updated its test procedures for estimating fuel mileage. The test now includes 3 additional driving cycles - an aggressive driving cycle; A/C on in hot humid conditions; and a test in cold weather. All these tests are done under very controlled conditions. Estimates for my 2006 4X4 5.4L dropped by an average of 1 mpg using this new procedure and its a little lower than my average mpg. I would like to see the MPG posted for each cycle. Vehicles with smaller engines tend to be more affected - my wifes car estimates dropped 3 mpg. Just for kicks check out some of the hybrid's - toyota prius dropped by 9 mpg. Details of the testing cycles can be found in the link below. You can also use this link to compare your old and new estimates.
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/fe_test_schedules.shtml
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/fe_test_schedules.shtml
#34
Originally Posted by MGDfan
Accelerating the same Mass over a shorter period of time = more work = more energy required. Physics 101.
In the real world, other losses are very interesting indeed. How efficient is the engine at the loads and speeds experienced. We know there will be increased aerodynamic and rolling resistance losses for the faster acceleration case from the from the higher speeds through the initial part of the run.
You are on to the downside of the slow acceleration here:
Originally Posted by MGDfan
And make sure yer TC is Locked.
So we have different parasitic losses for either scenario. I certainly do not have (nor do I suspect you have) enough data to make a definitive pronouncement about which losses are greater. At a minimum you would need to know the the acceleration curves used (what does jackrabbit mean, exactly,) information on the rolling and aerodynamic losses, the engine efficiency at each speed and load encountered, the torque converter transfer function, and the shift points. Probably a bunch of other stuff as well (driveline losses...)
Calling it a crock outright displays a lack of understanding of the complexity of the problem space.
Lacking the information necessary to perform a theoretical analysis, bluejay at least took data. I would take it over the counter argument at this point.
On th lighter side.... letting off the gas earlier when decelerating, or using a lower terminal speed (as long as the TC gets locked up) will definitely net lower consumption.