What do these codes mean, 2105, 2107?
#1
What do these codes mean, 2105, 2107?
My truck stalled a couple times (beginning of the week),& the check engine light came on.
Dealers diagnosis shows codes P0606, 2105, & 2107.
They told me my throttle body needs replacement, and quoted $640.
(Yeah, I don't think so! the part at Tasca is $180+-)
I checked my battery and connections last week, the battery disconnected read 12.8 volts, connected w/ truck running it read 14.4 or so.
Thanks,
MB
Dealers diagnosis shows codes P0606, 2105, & 2107.
They told me my throttle body needs replacement, and quoted $640.
(Yeah, I don't think so! the part at Tasca is $180+-)
I checked my battery and connections last week, the battery disconnected read 12.8 volts, connected w/ truck running it read 14.4 or so.
Thanks,
MB
#2
My truck stalled a couple times (beginning of the week),& the check engine light came on.
Dealers diagnosis shows codes P0606, 2105, & 2107.
They told me my throttle body needs replacement, and quoted $640.
(Yeah, I don't think so! the part at Tasca is $180+-)
I checked my battery and connections last week, the battery disconnected read 12.8 volts, connected w/ truck running it read 14.4 or so.
Thanks,
MB
Dealers diagnosis shows codes P0606, 2105, & 2107.
They told me my throttle body needs replacement, and quoted $640.
(Yeah, I don't think so! the part at Tasca is $180+-)
I checked my battery and connections last week, the battery disconnected read 12.8 volts, connected w/ truck running it read 14.4 or so.
Thanks,
MB
1. Ford has issued out Technical Service Bulletin 06-19-04 for a PCM reflash for this code.
2. There may also be a fast idle concern or an intermittent hard start condition related to the PCM calibration.
3. Verify the PCM has the latest and greatest calibration before proceeding with in depth diagnostics
p2105...
Throttle Actuator Control System - Forced Idle Mode
p2107...
Throttle Actuator Control Motor Processor Malfunction
hope this helps
#3
Take new look at the situation as discribed in the first reply.
You have a throttle control failure so the PCM shut down the use of the throttle so you cannot get yourself into a 'runaway' condition and have an accident.
This is built-in safety in the electronic throttle system.
Since the dealer does not know what all may have to be done to effect the total fix, you are seeing some builtin costs by estimate.
Believe it, you won't get way with $180 or even $500 by time it's all done.
Some issues with these modern vehichles will cost a bundle because you cannot do any of the specialized work for lack of tools and knowledge.
The system worked as designed and saved you from accident.
I have been there a couple times.
This is an example of when maintainance insurance should be considered over the long term.
PS, I do not work for Ford or a dealer but have owner experience over the long term.
Good luck.
You have a throttle control failure so the PCM shut down the use of the throttle so you cannot get yourself into a 'runaway' condition and have an accident.
This is built-in safety in the electronic throttle system.
Since the dealer does not know what all may have to be done to effect the total fix, you are seeing some builtin costs by estimate.
Believe it, you won't get way with $180 or even $500 by time it's all done.
Some issues with these modern vehichles will cost a bundle because you cannot do any of the specialized work for lack of tools and knowledge.
The system worked as designed and saved you from accident.
I have been there a couple times.
This is an example of when maintainance insurance should be considered over the long term.
PS, I do not work for Ford or a dealer but have owner experience over the long term.
Good luck.
#4
#5
Update,
....a mechanic told me to replace the TPS first.
Replaced TSP, truck ran fine for a few days.
Today it stalled as I was pulling into a parking spot.
Now it starts right up, but will only run for 15 to 25 seconds.
So I guess the Throttle Body is up next for replacement.
Engine light is lit once again.
I wish I could afford a new 2011.
....a mechanic told me to replace the TPS first.
Replaced TSP, truck ran fine for a few days.
Today it stalled as I was pulling into a parking spot.
Now it starts right up, but will only run for 15 to 25 seconds.
So I guess the Throttle Body is up next for replacement.
Engine light is lit once again.
I wish I could afford a new 2011.
#6
Respectfully re read my reply in #3.
The code 2105 is automatic throttle shut down to protect you.
The 2107 is 'control module Processor' fault.
The control module has it's own processor and has bus communications with the PCM for decision making.
You still think a TSP will fix this fault?
I know the cost hurts but this is what you have and it will not get any better soon.
Another thing about this is if you keep trying to fix it and get into an accident and it's found you knew you had this issue, you can hurt in more ways than one before it's all over.
It's dealer work.
Good luck.
The code 2105 is automatic throttle shut down to protect you.
The 2107 is 'control module Processor' fault.
The control module has it's own processor and has bus communications with the PCM for decision making.
You still think a TSP will fix this fault?
I know the cost hurts but this is what you have and it will not get any better soon.
Another thing about this is if you keep trying to fix it and get into an accident and it's found you knew you had this issue, you can hurt in more ways than one before it's all over.
It's dealer work.
Good luck.
Last edited by Bluegrass; 05-24-2011 at 07:31 PM.
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Update #3,
I HATE to eat crow, but BLUEGRASS you were right.
I replaced the throttle body, truck ran great.
BUT...would not stay running after second start-up once hot.
Had it flat-bedded to dealer.
They did a pin-point diagnosis (no charge) which came up with a new different code...2135?
Now they're recommending a new PCM and a Fuel Pump Control Module (1st replaced in 8/09).
They're not sure if the FPCM took out the PCM, or if the PCM failed and took out the FPCM.
The only PCM I could find was at a Tenn. dealer- $750....($960 incl core, tax, & shipping).
The dealer HAS to put the new parts in, to sync the new PCM.
So you were correct :o, this quickly climbed to $1300+
..and now I have an extra (new) TPS sensor if anyone needs it!
I HATE to eat crow, but BLUEGRASS you were right.
I replaced the throttle body, truck ran great.
BUT...would not stay running after second start-up once hot.
Had it flat-bedded to dealer.
They did a pin-point diagnosis (no charge) which came up with a new different code...2135?
Now they're recommending a new PCM and a Fuel Pump Control Module (1st replaced in 8/09).
They're not sure if the FPCM took out the PCM, or if the PCM failed and took out the FPCM.
The only PCM I could find was at a Tenn. dealer- $750....($960 incl core, tax, & shipping).
The dealer HAS to put the new parts in, to sync the new PCM.
So you were correct :o, this quickly climbed to $1300+
..and now I have an extra (new) TPS sensor if anyone needs it!
Last edited by mjb1032; 06-02-2011 at 08:08 AM.
#10
Sorry to hear a PCM may be needed as well.
The PCM has to be programmed and complete system checks made to be sure, due to libability the dealer has for the job.
What most owners don't realize is the complexity of the engine control system and the limited ability they have to service it beyond some of the simpler code faults.
I have had similuar misfortunes with a PCM, coils and cat failure all in one shot so was a learning lesson that could not be avoided.
In my case I knew what was wrong but still could not handle all the problems.
When it comes to PCM and associated service that requires programing, the dealer is the only place that has the ability to the job.
On top of this is the labor cost and the warrenty that goes with it when the dealer does the work.
It pays to consider maintinance insurance over the long term to cover high expense items like this and transmission/drive train failures.
To put it mildly, as much as I know about these systems, I still must have dealer service on some types of failures, as well.
Other makes are in the same sphere so changing to another in not always the answer.
Out of the hundreds of thousands of trucks, only a small percentage have issues at this level.
Good luck, bite the bullet as they say, and go on because you have no other direction to go with except trade in and still these things always remain a possibility with any vehichle we own.
The PCM has to be programmed and complete system checks made to be sure, due to libability the dealer has for the job.
What most owners don't realize is the complexity of the engine control system and the limited ability they have to service it beyond some of the simpler code faults.
I have had similuar misfortunes with a PCM, coils and cat failure all in one shot so was a learning lesson that could not be avoided.
In my case I knew what was wrong but still could not handle all the problems.
When it comes to PCM and associated service that requires programing, the dealer is the only place that has the ability to the job.
On top of this is the labor cost and the warrenty that goes with it when the dealer does the work.
It pays to consider maintinance insurance over the long term to cover high expense items like this and transmission/drive train failures.
To put it mildly, as much as I know about these systems, I still must have dealer service on some types of failures, as well.
Other makes are in the same sphere so changing to another in not always the answer.
Out of the hundreds of thousands of trucks, only a small percentage have issues at this level.
Good luck, bite the bullet as they say, and go on because you have no other direction to go with except trade in and still these things always remain a possibility with any vehichle we own.