Has anyone else heard about Ford releasing a F150 hybrid later this year? I have found rumors of it on tech sites claiming almost 60 mpg. Just courious since I just ordered my 09 FX4.

 

 

They actually built one back in '04 (Expy). Maybe oil companies put a squash on this fuel saving technology too. Want us all to be paying $5 per gallon soon

http://yosemite.epa.gov/opa/admpress...7?OpenDocument

 

With the amount of money Ford would make from an expy getting 30mpg there is no way the oil companies could stop it. I have always wondered how people think that the oil companies could stop fuel saving tech, how would they go about that?

Back to the original topic the last thing I read was they were going to start testing on UPS trucks and that we would see the tech in a couple of years, that was about a year ago.

 

So you have an order sheet?

 

Exxon had a 40 BILLION profit last year.
Ford lost 2.7 BILLION last year.

Did you know a guy in the 70's patented a 100MPG system on a Ford?
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directo...or_Fuel_System
Where's he now with all his billions from fuel efficiency?

What about Charles Pogue's and his 200 MPG carburetor invented in 1936?
http://blog.hasslberger.com/2007/04/...line_vapo.html

You tell me who you think has the power.

 

If they work so well then why hasn't someone tweked them to get around the patent and made a healthy profit? How many companies out there would kill to be the first to come out with somthing that added power and made it possible to get 200mpg. So I don't believe eather one of those actually worked, and its all paranoid people screaming conspiracy. Since you buy whole heartedly into that, then get you one of these it will cure all disease.
http://www.photonbiovibe.com/

 

Hmmm. I'm not sure when I said conspiracy. I have the same questions as you. Why DIDN'T these technologies catch on? Other than, "I don't believe eather one of those actually worked", tell me why they actually didn't work. Seriously. Tell me.
Why am I paranoid? I am stating facts about profits and technologies. I am insinuating that the oil industry IS that powerful. Can you seriously tell me that they're not? Do you think the USA has enough technology to navigate robots on another planet or land a craft on a moving, spin comet autonomously, but no auto manufacturer can get a vehicle to get 40MPG without batteries????
I wouldn't say that's paranoia, I'd say that's logic. There IS a reason why vehicles aren't that efficient. Do you expect me to believe (lack of) technology is the reason?

And it is pretty presumptuous for you to assume I "buy whole heartedly into that". You don't know me. You don't know what I believe aside from I think oil companies are powerful enough to keep fuel efficient technologies at bay. I really didn't make any personal attack on you for you to be a jackass back to me.

It's called opinion. I have mine, you have yours. I don't see why yours is better than mine. It's just different. Bottom line is we're both paying almost $4 per gallon so who cares about opinions? I guess we just need to wait for technology to advance so we can take an over 100 year old industry to make a bigger leap of 10-15 MPG in that time, huh?

 

Big oil is out to get you, they have been screwing us for years. I remember when they were giving it to us good back when oil was 35$ a barrel.
If you actually think that a private company could keep somthing like a 200mpg carb from coming out, then I dont know what to tell you other than I have some ocean front property that I will let you have real cheap, its right in the middle of Oklahoma. I don't remember making a personal attack, I remember you saying that there were a 100mpg and a 200mpg carb out and that the oil companies kept it from coming out, so I said if you will buy that then here is something else for you to buy. I never made a personal attack and for you to say that I am acting like a jackass because I disagree with you is pretty damn childish.
BTW just because its a patent doesn't mean it works.
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/crazy.html
Also research a little thing called OPEC

 

So do you believe there is no existing technology to give fossil fuel burning vehicles substantially better mileage?


"Since you buy whole heartedly into that, then get you one of these it will cure all disease.
http://www.photonbiovibe.com/"
That's what was uncalled for. Had nothing to do with disagreeing with you. I think Oswald shot Kennedy by himself. I believe we went to the moon. I think a group of Islamic extremists planned and executed the attacks on 9/11 and I so happen to think oil companies control our need for fuel. I don't think defending myself about your comment of me being a paranoid screaming conspiracist is childish. That's when you went personal. Putting that link in there was acting like a jackass.
I didn't say or mean to insinuate a patent was proof of anything. I was trying to make a point of years and years of alternative methods to increase mileage and that I find it hard to believe NONE have ever been practical. I also don't think I'm a conspiracy nutjob to think the big guy can keep the little guy down.

Birddog, I'm not trying to fight with you. I'm done with this one on one thing. If you'd like to debate fuel efficiency both past and future, I'm game. I would like to know why there isn't a better way. What is stopping something like the hydraulic system that the OP brings up? What happened to the '04 Expy that was created? Why did Ford talk so much about this in '06 but now we're hearing ecoboost?

 

I guess I came off a little rough, I was making an exaggeration of the point that you believe the oil companies are snatching up fuel saving tech.As far current things to dramatically increase fuel millage I don't think there are any out there. If you watch mythbusters they tested several online devices to increase fuel millage and they all failed horribly. Now for something like the hydraulic hybrid it could have been any number of things that went wrong or it could have simply been to advanced to make reliable at this point. I tend to look for more simplistic explanations first, and then if they don't explain the situation then I move on.

 

Oil and it's products, namely gasoline, are bought and sold as commodities....they are subject to supply and demand pricing. Globally speaking we are riding very close to the knife edge of daily production vs daily consumption.....that's why oil prices are where they are....since oil is the feedstock of gas, gas must go up too.

The real reason oil companies are making such vast profits is that they are shipping huge amounts of product due to the fact the global consumption rates are increasing daily. It's easy to play the tired old 'those big bad oil companies' angle though.

China & India's skyrocketting demand for fuel is what's driving up oil prices & will continue to drive the worlds oil markets.

As to the claims of 'super high efficiency' technology.....there isn't any, the internal combustion engine has been developed & refined since what, the mid to late 1800's ?
You can't rewrite the laws of thermodynamics, the Otto cycle which is the foundation for the gasoline 4 stroke, is i believe, in the 40% range maximum efficiency......the absolute max for a diesel engine is i think, 50-52%, but that is somehting like a huge locomotive engine mega-thousand horse type deal.....smaller auto application motors will only be a few ticks more energy efficient than gas, say mid 40's % i think.

Fuel prices actually have never effected consumption rates either, as much as prices have gone up consumption has not fell off to match, in North America anyways. t ain't getting any cheaper either, 4-5 years you will see 200-250/bbl oil & gas prices probably on par with what europeans have been paying for a long time.

 

the order bank for 09 f-150's has not opened up yet so I doubt he ordered one.

 

$3.59 a gallon. This is where the socialists and environmental nut jobs have taken us.


Credit: marklevinfan.com

 

I would love to get 55 miles a gallon for only $600.00 more. That sounds like a deal to me. I hope they are able to get this to work very soon.