Ford truck sales down 50% in feb
#31
03-04-2009 | 01:23 PM
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And if you set aside $83.33 per week you'd have your $1,000 in three months. If you would have done that as soon as you started to think about buying a new truck I'd guess you'd have $2,000 or more right now. You could have purchased the truck already and added great mods.
Sounds to me like some folks don't budget well and expect Ford to make up for it in the name of a bad economy. Or are trying to purchase more truck than they can afford.
Go buy your trucks people!!!
Sounds to me like some folks don't budget well and expect Ford to make up for it in the name of a bad economy. Or are trying to purchase more truck than they can afford.
Go buy your trucks people!!!
I also don't NEED a new truck. A used half ton for half the price will do what I NEED it to do. Do I want a new fully-loaded 4x4 Lariat? Heck yes!
Thats a great rate Jard. We and my wife have a 800+ credit score and ample income to afford repayment and best we could get over 60months was about 6%. Even with my father in law to boost our Credit score as co signer they wouldnt do anymore than 6%. What credit union is that. Ours is member 1. Also the only reason the bank gave us that rate is because a familey member works for them. They wouldnt even give the loan to us before that. Also when we done the finance through the dealer we got maybe 10-12 reply letters from the banks. Everyone except 1 said no. The 1 that said yes said to call them and they would give us a new rate. That rate was 9%apr lol.
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#32
03-04-2009 | 01:30 PM
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Umm..yes! To me a truck is a business tool. I use them for awhile then replace them. There is nothing wrong with the Chevy Silverado or Toyota Tundra. We had them before and they were great. I may prefer the Ford, but It's not worth $5-8K more off my bottom line, at least in this current economic climate. In 2003-2007 I wouldn't even have given it a second thought as my profits were booming.
Also, if one looks at the month-to-month auto sales figures, not the year-to-year, it shows that Ford actually LOST the market share gains they had made over Chevy. Why is that? Chevy says it was due to stronger incentives so they clearly DO work.
Also, if one looks at the month-to-month auto sales figures, not the year-to-year, it shows that Ford actually LOST the market share gains they had made over Chevy. Why is that? Chevy says it was due to stronger incentives so they clearly DO work.
Thats the whole point i bought a ford over the other brands I use mine everyday for my buisness and needed it to be reliable, Tuff, Cheap to Maintain and safe for my familey when they are in it. Not one other brand could fit every option i wanted.
Plus the Ford blew the others away in the interior department. Also the best thing was it was cheaper than the Ram i looked at. You need to take a closer look at the other 2's offers. They aint want they seem when you look at them in detail. Most people confuse the offers they are doing on the 08's with the 09 offers. They dont work out to much different when you price and compaire them in detail def no 5-8k difference.
It's like anything though. You get what you pay for.
#33
03-04-2009 | 01:30 PM
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Let me walk you through the math: the difference between 0% financing and 4.9% on 60 month, $36K truck loan is over $4600. ...I think that is worth waiting for. If it doesn't happen, I'll be honking at you from my new Ram or Silverado this summer. Like I said, it has nothing to do with whether we can afford it, it has more to do with GOOD budgeting in this economy. After all, it's just a truck....most of us currently have trucks that will easily run for another year.
Just go buy your Ram or Silverado already.
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03-04-2009 | 02:05 PM
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Which is why I said I want BOTH cash back and 0%! Don't worry about me, I'll get it, if not from Ford than from Chevy or Toyota and I'm in no rush. For now my Tundras are work horses with 0 problems. I just would like a larger interior, better MPG, and Navigation at some point. Cheap gas and a TomTom unit have temporarily taken care of the latter 2 desires.
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03-04-2009 | 03:34 PM
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Which is why I said I want BOTH cash back and 0%! Don't worry about me, I'll get it, if not from Ford than from Chevy or Toyota and I'm in no rush. For now my Tundras are work horses with 0 problems. I just would like a larger interior, better MPG, and Navigation at some point. Cheap gas and a TomTom unit have temporarily taken care of the latter 2 desires.
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03-04-2009 | 08:12 PM
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One thing going for willywaxer is the fact he keeps saying he will buy a chevy or toy truck, but ne doesn't say he'd buy a ram. The ram sure is one hideous scaly bass-mouthed fishy vehicle. I don't understand of chrysler dropped the ball THAT far with the redesign. Looks like crap. Even the toy truck looks tougher than it, and we all know how they shake their beds, twist 'n snap their tailgates, and major frame rust without provocation.
If you need an actual work truck, you really only have 2 choices left in today's world: F-150 or GMC. The rest are pretty much commuter vehicles that look like they might be able to do some very light lifting if they are careful to lift their skirts first so they won't get dirty.
If you need an actual work truck, you really only have 2 choices left in today's world: F-150 or GMC. The rest are pretty much commuter vehicles that look like they might be able to do some very light lifting if they are careful to lift their skirts first so they won't get dirty.
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03-04-2009 | 08:26 PM
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One thing going for willywaxer is the fact he keeps saying he will buy a chevy or toy truck, but ne doesn't say he'd buy a ram. The ram sure is one hideous scaly bass-mouthed fishy vehicle. I don't understand of chrysler dropped the ball THAT far with the redesign. Looks like crap. Even the toy truck looks tougher than it, and we all know how they shake their beds, twist 'n snap their tailgates, and major frame rust without provocation.
If you need an actual work truck, you really only have 2 choices left in today's world: F-150 or GMC. The rest are pretty much commuter vehicles that look like they might be able to do some very light lifting if they are careful to lift their skirts first so they won't get dirty.
If you need an actual work truck, you really only have 2 choices left in today's world: F-150 or GMC. The rest are pretty much commuter vehicles that look like they might be able to do some very light lifting if they are careful to lift their skirts first so they won't get dirty.
#39
03-05-2009 | 10:09 AM
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I think the deal ***** is looking for is "IF IT'S FREE IT'S FOR ME". I don't think Ford's incentives will increase much over time because;
First, it is first year vehicle, redesign/refresh arguments aside for another thread. You are lucky to get any incentives on a new model. The great deals on 06's-08's were on a two to four year old model design when Toyota was rolling out a redesigned Tundra and GM a redesigned Chevy and GMC and gas prices were steadliy climbing.
Second, they are not making as many trucks as previous models years and dealers are not carrying as much inventory as previous years. When I bought mine in January, I was playing with web searches and found ONE (1) 09 King Ranch in a 200 mile radius. So you are not going to see a sea of trucks on dealers lots that they will be trying to move with great incentives at the end of summer.
Third, with the financial crisis, banks are not willing to make loans as they did a couple of years ago.
Finally life is too short, If you want one bite the bullet and go make your best deal on one you like. If not go buy another brand or keep driving what you have and quit complaining.
First, it is first year vehicle, redesign/refresh arguments aside for another thread. You are lucky to get any incentives on a new model. The great deals on 06's-08's were on a two to four year old model design when Toyota was rolling out a redesigned Tundra and GM a redesigned Chevy and GMC and gas prices were steadliy climbing.
Second, they are not making as many trucks as previous models years and dealers are not carrying as much inventory as previous years. When I bought mine in January, I was playing with web searches and found ONE (1) 09 King Ranch in a 200 mile radius. So you are not going to see a sea of trucks on dealers lots that they will be trying to move with great incentives at the end of summer.
Third, with the financial crisis, banks are not willing to make loans as they did a couple of years ago.
Finally life is too short, If you want one bite the bullet and go make your best deal on one you like. If not go buy another brand or keep driving what you have and quit complaining.
#40
03-05-2009 | 10:35 AM
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Count me as part of that Ford sales decline this year. The continued weak powertrain setup lost a 3x truck buyer. I've had loaded 04 FX4, 05 Lariat and 06 FX4 F150's. I've also had an 09 FX4 for the afternoon while the 08 Edge had it's 3rd PTU seal replaced. I also drove a platinum last week. Nice interior but with the 3.55 gears, no nuts at all. Nice grandpa truck though,,, not quite there yet! The 6 speed trans helps the F150 off the line compared to my other trucks but still no midrange power whatsoever. Ya I want more power from my daily driver, period. The 09 F150 is not much of a change for someone who has driven an 04-08 model for the past 5 years. I think they even look close from the side. Just my opinion. I drove all the competition and the dealer I went to last week ( New Holland Auto in PA ) had an F150 and Ram side by side out front. After staring at both for a while, and driving one more time, I bought the 09 Ram Sport. 390/407 hemi, 3.92 LS rear, factory catback duals, center console shift etc. etc. etc... The thing is a complete rocket, a beast for a 1/2 ton truck. Smooth powertrain, handling, etc.. And I like the looks better than the F150. Has an 8300 lb tow rating but I do not tow and cannot imagine a powertrain like the F150 claiming an 11k tow rating. ( I'd by a 250 for that anyway ). Forget passing or merging but who cares, I do not tow, just haul my ATV in the bed up to the mountains. And after driving 3 different F150's for the last 5 years, kinda boring is the 09. I had initially passed up a Ram back in 04 due to the redesigned F150. Not this time. And no need to lurk on the tuning section since the competition appears to know how to do correct ECC tuning from the factory.
And the deal, 0% financing, employee pricing and 3000 rebate off the employee price. That was $10,400 off msrp.
My new truck is a daily driver, just like the others. You guys that bash the competition probably have never even driven one. I am not brand loyal, drive em all and buy what you like. Period. But hey, this is a Ford forum so bash away. Whatever is your reason, for your sake, do not drive the competition, enjoy your truck ! I've had 5 good years with the F150, many service issues, but they were mostly addressed by the dealer, great techs. And our Ford Edge is on it's 3rd PTU seal, so much for Ford quality. Perhaps another F150 is in my future, just not waiting around for Ford to get the powertrain up to my expectations. Now to hope Dodge is around in a couple of years !
And the deal, 0% financing, employee pricing and 3000 rebate off the employee price. That was $10,400 off msrp.
My new truck is a daily driver, just like the others. You guys that bash the competition probably have never even driven one. I am not brand loyal, drive em all and buy what you like. Period. But hey, this is a Ford forum so bash away. Whatever is your reason, for your sake, do not drive the competition, enjoy your truck ! I've had 5 good years with the F150, many service issues, but they were mostly addressed by the dealer, great techs. And our Ford Edge is on it's 3rd PTU seal, so much for Ford quality. Perhaps another F150 is in my future, just not waiting around for Ford to get the powertrain up to my expectations. Now to hope Dodge is around in a couple of years !
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03-05-2009 | 01:36 PM
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Count me as part of that Ford sales decline this year. The continued weak powertrain setup lost a 3x truck buyer. I've had loaded 04 FX4, 05 Lariat and 06 FX4 F150's. I've also had an 09 FX4 for the afternoon while the 08 Edge had it's 3rd PTU seal replaced. I also drove a platinum last week. Nice interior but with the 3.55 gears, no nuts at all. Nice grandpa truck though,,, not quite there yet! The 6 speed trans helps the F150 off the line compared to my other trucks but still no midrange power whatsoever. Ya I want more power from my daily driver, period. The 09 F150 is not much of a change for someone who has driven an 04-08 model for the past 5 years. I think they even look close from the side. Just my opinion. I drove all the competition and the dealer I went to last week ( New Holland Auto in PA ) had an F150 and Ram side by side out front. After staring at both for a while, and driving one more time, I bought the 09 Ram Sport. 390/407 hemi, 3.92 LS rear, factory catback duals, center console shift etc. etc. etc... The thing is a complete rocket, a beast for a 1/2 ton truck. Smooth powertrain, handling, etc.. And I like the looks better than the F150. Has an 8300 lb tow rating but I do not tow and cannot imagine a powertrain like the F150 claiming an 11k tow rating. ( I'd by a 250 for that anyway ). Forget passing or merging but who cares, I do not tow, just haul my ATV in the bed up to the mountains. And after driving 3 different F150's for the last 5 years, kinda boring is the 09. I had initially passed up a Ram back in 04 due to the redesigned F150. Not this time. And no need to lurk on the tuning section since the competition appears to know how to do correct ECC tuning from the factory.
And the deal, 0% financing, employee pricing and 3000 rebate off the employee price. That was $10,400 off msrp.
My new truck is a daily driver, just like the others. You guys that bash the competition probably have never even driven one. I am not brand loyal, drive em all and buy what you like. Period. But hey, this is a Ford forum so bash away. Whatever is your reason, for your sake, do not drive the competition, enjoy your truck ! I've had 5 good years with the F150, many service issues, but they were mostly addressed by the dealer, great techs. And our Ford Edge is on it's 3rd PTU seal, so much for Ford quality. Perhaps another F150 is in my future, just not waiting around for Ford to get the powertrain up to my expectations. Now to hope Dodge is around in a couple of years !
And the deal, 0% financing, employee pricing and 3000 rebate off the employee price. That was $10,400 off msrp.
My new truck is a daily driver, just like the others. You guys that bash the competition probably have never even driven one. I am not brand loyal, drive em all and buy what you like. Period. But hey, this is a Ford forum so bash away. Whatever is your reason, for your sake, do not drive the competition, enjoy your truck ! I've had 5 good years with the F150, many service issues, but they were mostly addressed by the dealer, great techs. And our Ford Edge is on it's 3rd PTU seal, so much for Ford quality. Perhaps another F150 is in my future, just not waiting around for Ford to get the powertrain up to my expectations. Now to hope Dodge is around in a couple of years !
There's nothing wrong with them if it suits your requirements. For me the quality of the brand and the reputation of Dodge is just a few reasons i wouldn't get one. Dodge are always pushing the power figures thinking that it's the most important thing in a truck but it's a niche market. Most people never buy the larger powered model because the price increase and fuel
increase. But if the 0-60 and qtr mile times are important to you then the Toyota and Dodge are great trucks. I wanted a great overall truck and the Ford fitted that just perfect. Def not what i would call slow. Has no problem staying with our Mazda 6 V6. Ok i ain't gonna be racing no Porsche's or lambo's but no truck is. I use my truck for work so the Dodge def wouldn't have been any good for me as i tow a trailer. But like you say if you don't need to work from it then thats not an issue. I'm surprised that i ain't seen more of them on the roads. I seen 2 so far in the last 3-4months and seen prob 20+ 09 f150's.
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03-05-2009 | 02:30 PM
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Congrats on your new Ram, looks like you got a killer deal. Unlike the previous poster, in my area I've seen more '09 Dodges than Fords. They actually are outselling Fords right now:
"Chrysler February sales beat forecasts
March 4th, 2009 by Bill Cawthon
Sometimes victory is defined simply by not losing as badly as everyone else. Chrysler had one of those victories in February. Even though its own sales were down 44 percent, Chrysler came in ahead of General Motors and Ford, where sales were even worse. In fact, Chrysler no longer has the worst year-to-date (YTD) sales losses of the major automakers. General Motors beat them by two full percentage points.
Chrysler sold more light trucks than any automaker except General Motors. That’s right: Chrysler sold more light trucks than Ford. ...Every other full-size pickup lost a higher percentage of its February 2008 sales than the Ram." (www.allpar.com/news)
As I said before....STRONG INCENTIVES WORK!
"Chrysler February sales beat forecasts
March 4th, 2009 by Bill Cawthon
Sometimes victory is defined simply by not losing as badly as everyone else. Chrysler had one of those victories in February. Even though its own sales were down 44 percent, Chrysler came in ahead of General Motors and Ford, where sales were even worse. In fact, Chrysler no longer has the worst year-to-date (YTD) sales losses of the major automakers. General Motors beat them by two full percentage points.
Chrysler sold more light trucks than any automaker except General Motors. That’s right: Chrysler sold more light trucks than Ford. ...Every other full-size pickup lost a higher percentage of its February 2008 sales than the Ram." (www.allpar.com/news)
As I said before....STRONG INCENTIVES WORK!
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#43
03-05-2009 | 03:05 PM
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Some of you really have no idea what you are talking about. No one cares you know someone that got "10k off the sticker". That means nothing when we don't know the sticker price, whether they had a trade in, bought stupid dealer add ons, if it was the OTD price or they still added taxes, financing, etc.
Best way to say it is tell your OTD price and sticker price. Or just use a percentage of the OTD price over sticker price.
Btw, to the person who said a dealer is doing 25% off all trucks, that isn't a good deal. You should be getting atleast that anyway if you know how negotiate. You can't trust the dealer anyway, after they get done adding on tax and title you won't be at 25% anymore.
IMO 68-70% of sticker OTD is about the best you can hope for. I've seen guys get it on f-250/350s.
Best way to say it is tell your OTD price and sticker price. Or just use a percentage of the OTD price over sticker price.
Btw, to the person who said a dealer is doing 25% off all trucks, that isn't a good deal. You should be getting atleast that anyway if you know how negotiate. You can't trust the dealer anyway, after they get done adding on tax and title you won't be at 25% anymore.
IMO 68-70% of sticker OTD is about the best you can hope for. I've seen guys get it on f-250/350s.
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03-05-2009 | 03:17 PM
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You are right about that. However, I don't need to know the sticker price in this case....somebody getting Employee pricing AND cash back AND 0% financing is getting a killer deal. Nobody is getting that on a Ford.
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03-05-2009 | 04:15 PM
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Sales #s for Feb 09:
No. 1: Ford F-Series
48,851 -47.8% YTD
February 2009: 23,614
February 2008: 52,548
No. 2: Chevrolet Silverado
43,775 -45.4% YTD
February 2009: 19,788
February 2008: 44,096
No. 3: Dodge Ram
27,291 -36.0% YTD
February 2009: 14,488
February 2008: 22,642
No. 4: Toyota Tacoma
15,493 -36.0% YTD
February 2009: 7,874
February 2008: 13,125
No. 5: GMC Sierra
14,420 -49.0% YTD
February 2009: 6,400
February 2008: 15,088
Oh yeah, Dodge really outsold Ford baby!!! Give me a break, they will never sell more RAM's than F150s.
What REALLY cracks my **** up is the fact you left out this line while quoting your news source: "While the list of Top Ten Trucks by YTD sales includes only the Ram pickup, the same list for February includes four Chrysler vehicles: The Ram pickup, Jeep Wrangler, Dodge Caravan and Chrysler Town & Country."
Gee, 3 other vehicles counted towards light truck sales? Way to skew the numbers douche bags!!!