whats this the first out of 10 reviews that doesn't have ford in first hmmm..

the 5.4L is old and underpowered but it's "tired,tested and true" lol it's a work horse and VERY reliable engine!I'll take that over companies that redesign new engines every couple years. Myabe if they stuck with one engine and didn't come out with new **** so often they wouldn't be in trouble. Personally my trailer is about 6000 lbs and my truck hauls it like a champ.. There's no mention of alot of different things that the ford truck has I'm thinking trailer sway control off the top of me head thats a HUGE selling factor for someone looking to tow alarge trailer (thats what this reveiw is about ) IMO the reveiw was anti ford from the begining when they had the gold truck when the other 3 are "regular" colours!

 

but heres the thing.i doubt everyne here has even driven the other trucks much less even saw what they can do.the bias is really stupid.you cant knock something you havent even tried.there are a few members of this site that dictched their trucks for the new dodge so it cant be all that bad.it is bias and sore loosers.i love my ford but i didnt buy mine for towing.some folks buy trucks for other reasons and people on this site nagged about the lack of power too.

 

Ive driven a 2008 chevy 1500 ext cab 5.3 2wd, Even towed with it, well built truck. I also test drove an 09 Hemi QC 2wd. Wasnt impressed with performance of the big bad hemi, or the new suspension, even on the highway it felt jittery. Maybe better shocks would make the difference.
-Patrick

 

I don't see why this is an argument. Ford has the best towing performance period, and if you really need to tow heavy then you have the +F250 series as well. I loved all my Fords, but there are other nice American products out there that deserve recognition too, and just because Ford didn't win a few comparisons here and there doesn't mean other people suck. Good gawd.

Most know that I just bought a new Ram recently (just to try something different as I was very impressed with the new truck). Sorry to say, it really is a very nice driving truck for everyday use (I don't need to tow or haul heavy loads except for weekend toys and trips to Lowes or up to the mountains). I have the Crew Cab 4x4 and it is not jittery at all; very composed with a super smooth ride, and the Hemi surges like a freight train. Having just gone through three Ford vehicles over past couple of years (2007 King Ranch 4x4, 2008 F250 FX4, and 2008 F150 XLT 4x4), and spending a lot of time behind the wheel of the new F150, I can honesty say that there are some things it does better than the new Fords and Chevys, and some things it doesn't. When it comes to all around stability especially under load, I think those Ford videos do a fairly good job at showing the Ford strengths. All of my Fords were very nice trucks indeed, but in other areas the Dodge does raise the bar some which is not a bad thing for Ford or Chevy (consumers) at all.

But none of these articles detract for me from the fact that Ford builds great trucks, as well as Chevy, and now Dodge is finally in the game (again, I know the differences as I previously owned a 1999 Ram 1500 Sport 4x4 and 2004 Ram 2500 Quad 4x4 and neither of those vehicles were in the same league).

I still own Fords and drive them everyday as work vehicles for my company (I have an 08 F150 and Explorer in my driveway). Everyone should just relax and know they have a great product, but no need to slam others for appreciating something different (unless of course someone is trying to slam Ford trucks in a Ford forum, then all bets are off).

 

Well, it wasn't mentioned in the Ram either.

 

The Ram system is very basic and not really worth mentioning but the Ford system on the other hand is a very advanced system. Chrysler knew that Ford had this idea and thought they would do the same. Problem was they thought they would do it on the cheap like they always do and it didnt turn out anything like the F150's version.

Also about the people not test driveing other models comment. I think you will find most people look at other models before they buy. I test drove the nissan titan and the Dodge ram and neither impressed me at all. But the Ford impressed me a lot. No truck can touch it for features and build quality and for me the 5.4 was a good combination of power and MPG like it would be for 99% of people. Ok it aint the worlds most advanced engine but it still gets the job done and as we all know it is a work horse.

As we have seen on this forum everyone who comes on and asks about whats the best/better truck they always return with the post i bought a F150. There's always going to be someone who dont want the best and perhaps they cant afford a F150 and they are happy with their purchase but for a company to say a truck that aint designed around towing like the F150 is and wins the towing test is like Putting a F150 into a test with a F250 and say it's better at towing because it has a softer ride?

 

Well, Chrysler's going bankrupt.

Toyota has/had problems with the tailgates collapsing, frames rusting, engines locking up and so on.

And GM is owned by the Obama administration.

Yeah, I think I'll stick with Ford when it comes to full size pickups.

 

Whilst we are speaking about the Bankruptcy have people heard they ain't paying back the $7 billion they borrowed!!! What on earth. I cant believe our money was trying to keep a company afloat that cant make a competitive vehicle that anyone wants and now we get told this. How many more times have we got to save Chrysler. Just go away. I'm just Glad i ain't got a Chrysler vehicle that is about to lose 50% of it's resale value.

 

1-that article seemed to me to be an advertisement for the ram. i like all the trucks except the toyota but you still gotta respect the competition.

2-i have an 08 f150 reg cab shortbed 2wd 4.2L 5 speed and love it. it has power but is not a race car, i dont pull anything with it and the 21mpg works for me. i am 6' 5" tall and cant fit into a lot of vehicles. my friend has an 04 silverado reg cab short bed and the interior is tiny. even my dad's 00 sierra extended cab is tiny in the front seats with them all the way back. when driving it i feel like im being pressed up against the door too much. move my head 3 inches toward the door and hit my head on the molding above the window. but my 04 heritage f150 and my 08 it takes like 8 inches to do that and the 08's interior is massive.

3-all you people talking how ford's 310hp out of the 5.4 is bad compared to the rest... well thats peak hp, it might be 310hp peak but what if you compare at certain rpms... for instance(hypothetical) the 5.4 might produce 260hp at 2500rpms whereas the rest might be 210 at 2500 rpms. for pulling you need the hp quicker and also evenly across the rpm range. this is why ford's 300 I6 out pulled the 302 V8 back in the day. the 300 had the power right off the line whereas the 302 had to gain rpms before it got there. i know my 4.2 has very little power off the line but after 2000rpms it takes off and power drops off a bit around 4500-5000. just because you have 310hp doesnt mean you necessarily have the least capable truck
4-also i have always been against ford with their lack of power compared to the competition. not talking just trucks here. for instance mustang vs camaro, camaro always came out on top if you compare models. like base to base, Gt to Z28, cobra to SS. i had a 96 trans am auto and it was stock at 285hp and 335Lb-ft. it took ford til 2005 to get past 285hp. thats 9 years before they caught up. and the bases lets put up some numbers shall we? 1996 firebird or camaro vs 1996 mustang both 3.8L V6's. both weighed close to the same. camaro/firebird was rated 200hp 200Lb-Ft. stang was rated 195hp (cant remember torque tho) but 0-60 was 7.5 for the camaro/firebird and 8.5 for the stang. really? 5hp and maybe 200Lbs made it a full second slower? and the 1/4 mile was reflected as the same, camaro and firebird came out way on top of the stang.
i clocked my 96 trans am auto with a stopwatch and got 5.85 seconds to 60mph and ate everything that i raced including 2 motorcycles and some old muscle cars such as a chevelle 454SS. closest race was against a mitsubishi 3000Gt Vr-4 AWD. he had me up to about 80mph then i passed him. and yes there was a stock turbo on the 3000GT. ford has almost always been behind the competition power-wise but quality and sales reflect that they are made well and always have been. buy what you want, if you want it, it will usually make you happy.
my 4.2L is fine for me, wish i had a 5.4L in my truck but oh well. i like it the way it is

 

Well, you have to expect that most people on this forum are going to say they bought a Ford. You're not going to be on a Chevy, Dodge, or Toyota forum and expect most people to say they thought the Ford was better and they bought one....lol. Most folks on the other forums test drive the competition (like they do here) and come back to their brand for a variety of reasons. Some do switch or go off a tangent to try something different of course, as has occurred on this forum as well, but most here will think Ford is better and buy one. I had the new F150 on the top of my list (fully loaded Platinum) but decided on something else because I was impressed with the other product a bit more (this time around) and wanted something different. Plus, I still have a number of Ford products at home I can drive so not like I am missing out. And whether folks here like it or not, Ford is not the end all for all people depending upon their taste and needs (if so, there would be no other full sized truck offerings). It is just ridiculous how some folks constantly put down someone, or another product, because it is not what they need or drive (you get the same thing at any of the other forums so I know it comes with the territory). I think a better indicator of what people think of the Ford is the fact that, until recently, the F-series has been the best selling vehicle, period, and therefore can infer that Ford does a better job of meeting most people's overall needs (although, if break it down by model platform, you'll find the Chevy/GM 1500 actually outsells the F150).

And what does not affording a Ford have to do with being happy with another purchase? Not sure you meant it that way, but sounds like you are inferring that people buy or are happy with other trucks because they can't afford a Ford?? That's just ridiculous and insulting as each manufacture offers like priced products. There are folks that buy all sorts of vehicles and can afford anything they want, so buying something else doesn't mean they settled because of price or that thought the Ford was inferior.

Not trying to be argumentative as I agree with some of the points made, but just giving a counterpoint on some of the other points.

 

What i meant by people coming on the forum and asking is like what i said. People come on and have never owned a Ford and they are asking whats better between a Ford and Toyota as an example as they like both and then both sides say their truck is better in each forum but them people 99% of the time flow back to the Ford forum and let us know they have purchased a Ford and what i mean by people not affording it is exactly what i mean. A lot of people base what they are going to buy on cost. Now they could go for a top of the line Ram for a lot less than they could go for a top of the line F150 and there's nothing wrong with that as I'm sure they are happy with what they have purchased but it's like anything, you get what you pay for. But when you ignore the cost the F150 is a very hard truck to beat. Ok it's not number one in every test it has ever been tested on but overall it has always been number 1 in every full test shoot out and me for one am amazed that a truck that should be in the ridgeline, Hummer and avalanche line up can win a test against real trucks. No one can argue that the Ram is moving further and further away from it's roots as a truck and more into Hummer, Ridgeline and avalanche class of vehicle and for people who buy trucks to be used as a truck that is no good. If all the other brands have is a more powerful engines then how on earth are they going to compette with Ford when the 6.2 is out? They aint going to sell anything.

 

^^^^ Okay, think I am following you although not sure how you can say a fully loaded Dodge is less than a fully loaded Ford. If you are factoring in the current incentives then I have to agree, but there were times when Ford offered better incentives too but that didn't mean you were getting less.

The whole horsepower thing is kind of amusing. First, the diehards argue that people who consider more horsepower as a factor are just "stupid" or "irresponsible" (read numerous other threads), and is not a real consideration when buying trucks. And real world towing tests show that having more horsepower is very beneficial under right circumstances (and more efficient under heavy loads). But now with the 6.2L looming, those same folks will start bragging about all the horsepower that new engine will have....lol....and all of a sudden having more horsepower is a good thing. So I guess Ford owners who consider bigger engines for better performance are the only ones that should be making those kind of considerations...lol. I for one am excited about the new 6.2L coming out; might even buy one if it makes it into a F150 Crew 4x4.

 

What i mean by the engine size debate is it wont change the way the truck tows at all. The only thing it will change is your 0-60 time. Even if the 6.2 comes out it's going into the same exact truck that can already pull over 11K lb's and the increase in engine size wont increase it's tow rating. Just like GM have found out a very small amount of people will buy the 6.2 over the 5.4 because of increase in cost and decrease in MPG. The only people who will want it will be people who want a fast stop and go truck. If your pulling that much weight that you need the 6.2 then you might as well get a F250 so that extra weight you are towing can be controlled and handled even better.
When you look at the test in parts the Dodge only won because of it being quicker. The rest of the truck is inferior for towing over the F150 and makes no sense why it would be a better towing truck. Rear coil's, Low payload, Low tow rating, weaker frame all adds up to a bad tow vehicle. If they wanted to do a who's fastest to the top of a hill test then i would have no problem with them saying the others are faster because they are. But when they are doing who's the best at towing test and the least capable vehicle comes first and the most capable comes last then somethings up.

 

Yea when compared to another brand the first thing that comes up is the towing ability and thats all you hear, but that arguement will sure change by the same people when that 6.2L is released huh

 

Im not a big fan of Edmunds because like others have said, they dont grade trucks on truck things. If I can remember right, they bashed the Superduty as well. Since it had way high towing, to even out the competition they filled the bed of the truck with 3,000 lbs of cement blocks and then did the towing competions and they didnt feel it was fast enough for towing. It was the slowest 0-60. But also what I dont understand about this test is that they didnt feel the F150 could tow well, but all other tests that I have seen, they picked the F150 as the best for towing and hauling. Hell, even all the Texans reckon the F150 is best for them. And the North American Truck of the Year Award went to the '09 F150. That says a lot to me. I have never liked the way Edmunds tests cars, hell, they loved the Prius....

Zane