http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do.../pageId=166863

Notice the color of the F150 also.

I haven't read through the article yet, just noticed the rankings.

 

Not much data supporting their claims. Just my take.

 

nothing that a program can't fix.

 

Ok - so i clicked through and read the article. Kind of funny to me - aside from the 'more horsepower is better' mentality of the article ... it seems that most of the complaints about the F150 are based on a pretty crappy selection of particular options for their test truck. Don't complain about a lack of cargo management system, chrome clad wheel covers, etc... when there are options available to address every one of these items.

Reeks of bias to me ..... but then again, I am biased toward my 09 FX4!

 

I appreciate the level of detail they did their testing, but there are so many misunderstandings about trucks and towing that is is difficult to give them any credit. Stick to cars, Edmunds.

I did not see one mention of GVWR or payload, which ultimately limits all those trucks to about the same tow rating, despite the 3800 pound tow rating difference between the trucks. In fact, the F-150 was probably over GVWR with both trailer towing tests (543 pounds of payload available for tongue weight). Ram is probably the worst over GVWR because it only has 321 pounds of payload left in their tests. Maybe they really wanted 5% tongue weight, but most bumper pull trailers are happy at 10-15%, not 5%.

One interesting thing was the F-150 @ 80% GCWR (trailer weight of 7023 pounds by my math using their numbers) vs. the Ram towing 3921 pounds takes only 15 seconds longer to climb that 11.5 mile hill. Oh, and somehow the fixed 6500 pounds (lighter than 80% GCWR for the F-150) takes 11 seconds longer to climb said grade? What was wrong with that truck?

 

Anyone see this? Great vid.

Durability test against Dodge, Toyota, Chevy. He, he, he.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJZVUnOduH4

Toyota looks like it is made out of sticks.

The towing video is awesome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkZW7pVb_O4

 

did anyone else notice that the F150 is pulling a different trailer then the tundra and ram, the are pulling much smaller trailers then the F150.

but clearly they don't know **** about trucks. and any truly legit review site or media organization had their reviews out months ago not 6 months into the release of the truck. plus picking the **** ram with a several thousand pound lower tow rating as the better truck is just fing stupid.

 

Yeah, what a joke. Aside from the [obvious] horsepower debate, they touted the dumbest stuff and picked on the stuff that doesn't matter in the least to any real truck owner. I mean really... picking the Fiat Ram as the winner?

 

I kind of agree with these guys a little. I mean seriously guys, take a step back from our Ford pride for a minute. I know we didn't purchase trucks to go fast or to race but this motor is out dated. I hope this artilce wakes Ford up. Hopefully in 2010 or 2011 we can see better motors which I think we will.

 

Reading is understanding

Believe it or not guys, there are people out there that like the "X" model better then our Fords. It's fine. Let them be wrong !

To be honest, it was a well written article. They gave their reasons why, and chose what THEY felt to be the better "all around" truck. They didn't pick the one with most towing, but the one they all around enjoyed for every task they tested (daily commute, towing, playing, off the line, etc etc etc ).

 

Their opinion is wrong.

 

not really sure what you mean?

you can not give the top spot to a truck that can not compete in the towing area that the other trucks can. the ram has a the lowest tow rating then all trucks on the market, so it can't be giving top spot. and horse power means ****, i will gladly be one second slower in the 1/4 mile, but have the best handling, towing, comfort, options the list goes on.

sorry but, biased or not the fiat ram and tundra and are lesser trucks overall.

 

and the 1st place Dodge Ram comes with an owners manual that has "11 chapters" in it

 

You said they were towing different trailers. Yes, well, sort of. The trucks were tested with something like 80% of THEIR max tow rating. That means the rams low tow rating didn't matter, since it was pulling the same percentage as the other vehicles. Get it ? Thats what I was trying to show you. Also, you seem to think that highest tow rating = best truck. This wasn't simply a tow test, but an all around test. Which one would be best suited for both soccer moms, construction workers, and toy haulers. ALL AROUND. And a review is based on their OPINION, not yours.

As for "best handling" maybe in a straight line (most comfprtable, sure ! ). The F150 has one of the worst turning radius, and did horrible in the slolum(sp?) test. As a truck owner, I couldn't care less since my goal isn't to rocket through twisty turning roads, but I wont go around bragging about the "best handling" when it simply isn't true. The feel is great, and my favorite between the last versions. Ford's steering and road manners just felt so much better.

Towing: They felt the Truck struggled with its towing. It was the ONLY vehicle to drop below 50 MPH during the test. This says something. The pathetic F150 motor isn't going to hack it. We have all known this and been asking for change. I know its hard to imagine, but maybe the Ford advertising company lied on the tow rating, or stretched it a little bit anyways.

Best comfort, couldn't agree more. Well, in the older models anyways. I have yet to test the new F150 or the new Ram or even the Chebby.

Options: of course. Its FORD !

"horsepower means [nothing]" - Ya.... BS. Simple physics at work here. You take the truck with 1 HP, I get the one with 20, and we try and pull the same "covered wagon" up a steep hill and see who does better. You might make it, but your "horse" will be worn out long before mine. Trust me, I am the last guy who cares about the "highest" HP rating, or off the line performance. I don't race big ole trucks. But, if the truck is struggling during a tow test, might be time to up the anty a little. We need a more potent engine option, and one much better designed would be nice too.

Would be nice to see all the trucks torque ratings side by side too, since this is what I care about far more then HP numbers.

To an extent, I agree with you. I'll gladly be last in the 1/4 mile. Couldn't care less. I would like top tow ratings, but if the rating is honest, at least I can judge wich Ford model (F250, 350 and up) I want and go from there. If I plan to tow 10k trailer, and the F150 is rated for more then that, it should do it effortlessly IMO. It shouldn't struggle like how they explain. If it did, it would put a sour taste in my mouth, and I would question buying Ford again (not me, but you could see how that could work out).

 

Ford has to do something about the 5.4....

The 2010 mustangs 4.6 is making 315 horses. so why isnt the 5.4 making more than 310?