Thanks, Rambo. Sounds like everyone here has been right on with what's in the pipeline for '11. Still waiting for Ford to confirm and to give us some insight into the MPG numbers for the EB offering.

With the fear some people have about the new engines, perhaps it's all well & good Ford waited until the last year of the current model to roll them out, so the only real new things are the engines. I personally wouldn't hesitate, but can understand the trepidation of first year jitters, as my '97 ran like a dream for 7 years without so much as a sound, but my '04 developed the noisest interior and engine whine I ever heard in my life. Now my '09 is almost nearly as quite as my '97 was. Let's hope they increase that trend, not go backwards in the interior noise department again.

 

Comet you still think they gonna end the current gen f150 on the 2012 model? I can't see it my self. Look how long ago we see shots of the new super duty. We ain't seen anything in the way of a concept yet for the f150. I guess we will know in a year when we start seeing shots of them on the real road being tested. Maybe get some early test shots from the test tracks late this year if 2012 will be all new. I think its bad business sense to bring a new model out every 3 years. It costs too much money. To lose a whole year of profit to release an early model is crazy. They can easy squeeze 4 years out of a model year.

Will wee see an all new model f150 2012 (model 2013) I'm sure we will but not a brand new model next year I highly doubt.

 

I have no doubt Ford will do this. It makes sense. They can detune the engine and keep it at or near the top in its category as far as performance goes, then when the competition catches up, they tune it up a little and raise the numbers. It keeps them from having to develop a brand new engine and spending a boat load in development to replace a new engine.

 

I agree with you Maxout, except for the 5.0 issues. Those are RUMORS, plain and simple. I have one and it runs just fine. It is fast as he*@ too! I do agree that it would be a mistake to put an all new engine line up in the F-150 at once. I've voiced my skepticism about a econboost V-6 in the F-150 and have received my punches for doing so. However, until proven otherwise, I hold to my theories. The V-6 wil be fine for people who don't use trucks for what their true intended purpose, which is towing and hauling things. For those chores, I will take my trusty old V-8 anyday. I'm betting the 5.0 will be a great F-150 engine at some point.

 

Come on folks. This ain't the 80's anymore. Turbo engines have come a long way. There IS replacement for displacement...it's called turbo chargers!

Don't forget, none of these new engines are going into the F150 first. The 3.7 has been out for a few years in Lincolns (tweaks this year for the Mustang). The 3.5 EB (albeit in a tamer FWD form) has been out for a year now. The 5.0 has been out in the Mustang (with a different tune I'm sure) for a while.

If I was in the market for a new truck, it would be a new EB V6 F150!

Ford: guilty until proven innocent!

 

Turbos are the way forward. It won't be long before every vehicle on the road uses them. Why wouldn't anyone want better mpg with better power!

 

If I'm not mistaken the 1997 redesign had two new motors offered only, the 4.6 and the 5.4. Ford seemed to whether that "storm" OK.

 

Between 2011 and 2014, the average Chrysler model won't change significantly for 3.1 years, compared with an industry average of 2.5 years, or Honda's 1.9 years, said Merrill Lynch analyst John Murphy.

It's quotes like that, as well as all the industry talk I see, that leads me to continue to believe 2012 will be the next redesign. 3 years seems to be right on with the industry average for model changes, never mind it's what Ford themselves said a few years ago. Will it be another refresh or a full redesign, who knows. But considering the great job Ford did with the 2009, even another refresh will most likely be significant. I imagine this time arounf Ford is concentrating big time on weight reductions to increae MPG. When the '09 hit it had already been in development for a few years, started back before gas prices skyrocketed and certainly well before the economy tanked.

I wait in anticipation with everyone else. At the very least, let's hope the '11 F-150 has more new stuff than the '11 Fusion. That poor car got virtually nothing new, like BLIS and rain-sensing wipers and that's about it. No MyFord Touch in that one, either. Strange how they only seem to want to roll that out in an all-new vehicle like the 2011 Edge.

It's frustrating on a personal level too, because I'd love to have a shiny new '11 sitting in front of the country club next year as I get married in June. But if a new F-150 rolls out just a few months afterwards I'll be kicking myself something fierce. At least if I knew for sure what was coming down the pike I could wrap my head around a decision one way or the other. I know I could always trade up, but who knows what type of a hit I'd take for such a quick turnaround.

Anyways, that's why I still think it'll happen for MY2012.

 

The 4.6 was technically not a new engine, it came out in cars in 1991. If you really want to get technical, the 4.2 V6 was a new engine too - but it was based on the 3.8 which first came out in the early 80's. Funny thing, but the 97 and early 98 4.2's had major gasket issues.

 

So this is the secret that was expected to tank sales and prices of the 2010 model trucks. I'm thinking the 2009/10 will hold their value well, and the 2008 finally start to depreciate.

 

The 2009/10's will hold their price well until the new engines are known for being reliable. That could take 2-3 years.

 

As a strategy to help keep sales high through a model's lifetime, Ford is moving to a three-year restyling cycle. The first indication of Ford's new short program is the freshening of the 2009 Ford Flex, which is already underway. That's right, the Flex is not even on dealer lots yet and it's already being redesigned.

http://www.motorauthority.com/blog/1...t-update-cycle

"At every one of those milestones, every one of our products, (we will make) a change that is marked and recognizable by the customer,'' Kuzak said during a presentation to analysts this month.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m.../ai_n26639760/

Found a couple more articles. Unfortunately their press release about their new 3-year cycle was in 2008 so it's not easy to find stuff that old, even on google. I'm not sure exactly when they felt this plan was to take effect, though. The Edge was 2007 and the Flex was 2008. That makes the Edge a 4-year cycle this time. And the 2011 Flex is the same, so it's now up to 4 years as well. Since Ford made the announcement in 2008, did they mean everything from the 2009MY onwards or what? They never specified.

Wait, did Flex launch as a 2009MY? If so, then it would be on track for a 3-year cycle if they refresh/redesign for 2012. My bad.

 

I've been driving a 3.7 with a 6 speed in a 4200 pound Lincoln MKS for almost 2 years now. It moves the car along nicely with more than adequate acceleration, and really kicks in a freeway speeds. Mated with the 6 speed in one of our trucks, and tuned for more torque, it should be a nice engine for a basic work truck that isn't going to do any towing, or in a weekend grocery getter and daily driver. Might be a very fun ride mated to a 6 speed manual shift, but I doubt you'll ever see it.

 

I betcha it would tow fine up to about 5000#.