no replacement for displacement? Yeah, right!
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no replacement for displacement? Yeah, right!
From the Dallas Morning News
Ford is already attracting buyers with the 2011 F-150; 2010 sales through August are up an impressive 29.4 percent nationally over the year before in a weak overall market.
But the F-150's engines have long been a weakness, falling far short of the most powerful trucks in the segment. High-flying Ford intends to correct that with the new engines.
"They are definitely impressive," said Mike Levine, founder of PickupTrucks.com, who has driven trucks equipped with the new engines.
Beginning later this year, the base F-150 will arrive with a 302-horsepower, 3.7-liter V-6, said Scott, the Ford truck marketing manager. The next step up will be a retuned version of the 5-liter V-8 in the 2011 Mustang, which will be rated at 360 horsepower and have 380 pound-feet of torque.
Next up will be a 3.5-liter EcoBoost V-6, a turbocharged, direct-injected engine with 365 horsepower and 420 pound-feet of torque. That torque peaks at a low 2,500 rpm.
"From the very beginning, the statement there is no replacement for displacement came from traditional truck buyers," Scott said. "But once we are able to show them the numbers – EcoBoost will be our maximum tower at 11,300 pounds – we think we can prove it out."
The new premium V-8 will be a 6.2-liter V-8 available on mostly high-end models that has 411 horsepower and 434 pound-feet of torque.
Versions of all the engines are being used in other vehicles, from the Mustang and Edge to the Taurus SHO, Lincoln MKT and Ford Super Duty pickups. All should deliver "best-in-class" fuel economy, Scott said.
"We're really excited about it," he said. "We've always had that built-tough capability going for us. But if we came up short, it was in fuel economy and having a really premium V-8. These engines solve that problem."
Ford is already attracting buyers with the 2011 F-150; 2010 sales through August are up an impressive 29.4 percent nationally over the year before in a weak overall market.
But the F-150's engines have long been a weakness, falling far short of the most powerful trucks in the segment. High-flying Ford intends to correct that with the new engines.
"They are definitely impressive," said Mike Levine, founder of PickupTrucks.com, who has driven trucks equipped with the new engines.
Beginning later this year, the base F-150 will arrive with a 302-horsepower, 3.7-liter V-6, said Scott, the Ford truck marketing manager. The next step up will be a retuned version of the 5-liter V-8 in the 2011 Mustang, which will be rated at 360 horsepower and have 380 pound-feet of torque.
Next up will be a 3.5-liter EcoBoost V-6, a turbocharged, direct-injected engine with 365 horsepower and 420 pound-feet of torque. That torque peaks at a low 2,500 rpm.
"From the very beginning, the statement there is no replacement for displacement came from traditional truck buyers," Scott said. "But once we are able to show them the numbers – EcoBoost will be our maximum tower at 11,300 pounds – we think we can prove it out."
The new premium V-8 will be a 6.2-liter V-8 available on mostly high-end models that has 411 horsepower and 434 pound-feet of torque.
Versions of all the engines are being used in other vehicles, from the Mustang and Edge to the Taurus SHO, Lincoln MKT and Ford Super Duty pickups. All should deliver "best-in-class" fuel economy, Scott said.
"We're really excited about it," he said. "We've always had that built-tough capability going for us. But if we came up short, it was in fuel economy and having a really premium V-8. These engines solve that problem."
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Where have you seen on premium. Everything I have seen sates those numbers with reg.
Also, what I saw is that the 3.5EB and 6.2 are not able to run E85.
As far as HP, no one said that the engine didn't have it or torque. Most are concerned about longevity, especially when they are boosted to get more HP so they are closer to their limits. 6.2 is no where near it's limits so should (conceivably) be a longer lasting engine. Also, even in diesels, turbos are the limiting factor on engine life/maintenance.
Also, what I saw is that the 3.5EB and 6.2 are not able to run E85.
As far as HP, no one said that the engine didn't have it or torque. Most are concerned about longevity, especially when they are boosted to get more HP so they are closer to their limits. 6.2 is no where near it's limits so should (conceivably) be a longer lasting engine. Also, even in diesels, turbos are the limiting factor on engine life/maintenance.
Last edited by kingfish51; 09-23-2010 at 01:03 PM.
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Where have you seen on premium. Everything I have seen sates those numbers with reg.
Also, what I saw is that the 3.5EB and 6.2 are not able to run E85.
As far as HP, no one said that the engine didn't have it or torque. Most are concerned about longevity, especially when they are boosted to get more HP so they are closer to their limits. 6.2 is no where near it's limits so should (conceivably) be a longer lasting engine. Also, even in diesels, turbos are the limiting factor on engine life/maintenance.
Also, what I saw is that the 3.5EB and 6.2 are not able to run E85.
As far as HP, no one said that the engine didn't have it or torque. Most are concerned about longevity, especially when they are boosted to get more HP so they are closer to their limits. 6.2 is no where near it's limits so should (conceivably) be a longer lasting engine. Also, even in diesels, turbos are the limiting factor on engine life/maintenance.
http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2010/09...s-durable.html
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It was discussed on another long forum and the 6.2 engineer said those #s were on premium, BUT now I look at the new specs on the 2011 website and it says reg?
So who really know?
http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/92...engine-24.html
So who really know?
http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/92...engine-24.html
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Read this and tell me that you are still worried about longevity of the engine.
http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2010/09...s-durable.html
http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2010/09...s-durable.html
A dyno is not the same thing as real world use.
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Already read them. Means nothing as it really doesn't show that the tests were with towing, etc, where a heavy load was put on the engine. Just that they were run at high rpm for a long time. RPM and load are not the same thing.
A dyno is not the same thing as real world use.
A dyno is not the same thing as real world use.
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Just to verify,
So it will take one of those trucks to Oregon, where it will pinch-hit for a log skidder and drag thousands of pounds of logs up steep grades. Then Ford will take that same truck diagonally across the country to Homestead, Fla., where the truck will tow a pair of Ford Fusion NASCAR race cars around the 1.5-mile oval track for 24 hours – at full throttle and stopping only for fuel and fresh tires.
Last edited by kingfish51; 09-23-2010 at 06:10 PM.
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I think it's kind of hypocritical of anyone not being a believer of an engine's potential unless it has years of towing abuse. I don't know about the rest of you, but I rarely see an F150 around these parts that is actually used as a truck, besides those in base trim fleet use. Anyone that has to tow anything around here has a super duty for that task, myself included. We have the F350 for hard work and the F150 is purely a daily driver grocery getter.
It's the same thing as people sqawking about wanting a tough as nails diesel that'll last 500,000 miles towing 20k+ everyday when the majority of those owners will never see that kind of use and will no doubt use it as a grocery getter and trade it in after three years with only 50k miles on it.
I'm sure the EB will be able to easily handle 99% of actual F150 owner's needs.
It's the same thing as people sqawking about wanting a tough as nails diesel that'll last 500,000 miles towing 20k+ everyday when the majority of those owners will never see that kind of use and will no doubt use it as a grocery getter and trade it in after three years with only 50k miles on it.
I'm sure the EB will be able to easily handle 99% of actual F150 owner's needs.
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I think it's kind of hypocritical of anyone not being a believer of an engine's potential unless it has years of towing abuse. I don't know about the rest of you, but I rarely see an F150 around these parts that is actually used as a truck, besides those in base trim fleet use. Anyone that has to tow anything around here has a super duty for that task, myself included. We have the F350 for hard work and the F150 is purely a daily driver grocery getter.
It's the same thing as people sqawking about wanting a tough as nails diesel that'll last 500,000 miles towing 20k+ everyday when the majority of those owners will never see that kind of use and will no doubt use it as a grocery getter and trade it in after three years with only 50k miles on it.
I'm sure the EB will be able to easily handle 99% of actual F150 owner's needs.
It's the same thing as people sqawking about wanting a tough as nails diesel that'll last 500,000 miles towing 20k+ everyday when the majority of those owners will never see that kind of use and will no doubt use it as a grocery getter and trade it in after three years with only 50k miles on it.
I'm sure the EB will be able to easily handle 99% of actual F150 owner's needs.