So that shows rear wheel hp on one dyno and any numbers/charts from Ford on the 5.0 will be crank hp?

 

i didnt realize the ecoboost had so much going for it

 

Apparently. So with all this talk about how wonderful the EB tech is, why didn't Ford pair it with a V8, and come up with a true replacement for the 5.4 instead of cranking out a nerfed 5.0 to replace the 4.6? I test drove a 4.6 back when I purchased my Scab in '05, and it was horrible. If I wanted to putt putt along through traffic, I'd buy a hybrid and be done with it. As for the 3.5 EB, the numbers and charts can say all they want, but I've never had a good experience with the mating of a V6 and an automatic transmission on a 4x4 powertrain. Maybe that sort of thing is good enough on the freeways of the lower 48, but up here in Alaska, that dog just don't hunt. The V6 trucks are easy to spot here, especially on heavy snow days, as they're the ones too weak to pull themselves out of the ditch, let alone anyone else.

I'm glad I found this thread, all the fancy new tech of the 2011's almost had me convinced, but I'm thinking now I'd rather take the time-tested 5.4 and the 6500 in rebates on the 2010, and be damn happy. Maybe they are saving a V8 EB for the 2012 model. Unfortunately, I can't wait that long.

 

You're kinda missing the boat here. It's not just a V6. The only thing the EB has in common with earlier V6 truck engines is the number of cylinders. This is a direct injected TWIN TURBO engine - a far cry from the dinosaur 4.2L V6 you may be referring to.

Why no EB V8? Maybe because it's not necessary? Maybe because that defeats the purpose (in case you missed the whole point of the EB, it's to offer V8 power, well, actually more, with better fuel economy). A V8 EB would offer great power, but would hurt Ford's overall CAFE ratings and that's moving in the wrong direction.

Go ahead and buy your tried and true 5.4, but don't be surprised when a pesky little EB passes you on one of your long Alaskan mountain climbs while effortlessly chugging along (those twin turbos should really outshine the NA V8's in the higher altitude and colder weather).

 

Remember, the Chebby 6.2L only makes 387hp on 87 octane fuel. If you want the 408hp fill her up with pricey 91 octane
Good luck with that

 

I have to agree. With 420 ft lbs right at 1700 RPM, the EB should be BETTER at pulling itself through the snow and pulling people out of the ditch in 4x4 than the V8 is. I drive in snow often enough and you sure arent revving your engine up to 4200 RPMs to get huge torque, more like chugging along to stay safe. And as mentioned, with altitude and cold weather the EB should have an even more noticeable performance advantage over the N/A V8s (forced induction = no pressure loss from altitude). Whenever I'm up above 5000ft my V8 truck gets a LOT thirstier and produces noticeably less power.

 

Id buy the 2010...Oh wait thats what i did. I was having the same debate you were with myself and a month ago i bought a 2010 fx4. After driving it, its tons better then the 4spd tranny. Some guys complain about it others love it. I think its great. guys with the older truck will say 5.0 or 6.2. If you got the dough buy new, if you want to save money you wont be dissappointed with the 5.4l. in a few years upgrade to the one you want with rebates!

 

Most of inhabited Alaska is at sea level. We don't live in the mountains because we *can't* live in the mountains. Our roads aren't maintained very well either, especially in the winter, and what highways we do have are extremely hilly. I'm pulling either a 2 horse trailer, or a 26' Lund, and I need enough power to get me up those steep hills without dropping down to 35 if I can help it. The 5.4 in my 05 is a champ at both and has never failed me, but I just can't get my head around a V6, no matter what tricks it has up it's sleeve. Has anyone here actually tried towing something with one yet? Cars.com has videos of one at the drag strip, but whoopteedoo. If you're going to show video of a truck, film it being used *as* a truck.

 

How about 3.5 miles uphill at full throttle with a 9000 pound trailer?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCQ6Du0fFag

 

it eats the Chevy and Dodge both V8.

 

that pretty well does it for me. who wants to buy my truck at new price??

 

[QUOTE=mSaLL150;4474673]How about 3.5 miles uphill at full throttle with a 9000 pound trailer... QUOTE]
...with a Ram in the rear view mirror. I think that little dot on the mirror might be a Chevy too, but it's so far back I can't quite tell for sure.

 

if an extra $10 per tank breaks your budget then you ought to drive a hybrid

 

So, you're telling me it's worth $10/fill up to still get 3hp less horsepower than Fords 6.2L on 87 octane

 

I went with the 2010 after a lot of consideration. I didn't want to find out that there were unforseen problems with the new engines. I read too many postings from people who regretted buying new products that didn't meet expectations. No matter how much testing is done, until they are proven in the real world there is a risk.