I am saying the weight and load is too much for the F150 chassis. I never complained about the power of the engine. Torque had nothing to do with the load pushing the truck all over the road, sir.

 

1. Doesn't matter if it's a 6000 lb truck or a 8000 lb truck with a 10k trailer pushing you down a hill, its the trailer brakes that are doing the stopping. Look at the weight of a semi v.s. the trailer- same idea. It's the trailer brakes that stop you. Besides, that's the great advantage of the TBC. If the trailer starts swaying (in my case from cows moving around) just tap the switch and she settles down.

2. The chassis on the f150 is as heavy as the F250 was years ago.

 

There is no replacement for displacement. At the work he is describing I would choose a diesel. My F250 weighed over 9k lbs as it sat which is over three thousand pounds more than my F150 does. That extra weight adds up to some nice stability when pulling a heavy load in less than ideal conditions. My F150 pulls my RV, boat etc. It just requires I use all the WD hitch goodies and set everything more cautiously. With the F250 I just hooked up and headed out with no worries.

He asked about 5th wheel farm hauling. The F150 screw has a very low pic weight it will accept. It sounds like he needs a 3/4 ton with 7k JD tractors and 5'ers full of stock.

 

The 2011 PSD still has almost double the peak torque as the F-150. That makes for a significant impact on acceleration. Also, the Supercrew does not have enough payload for GN trailers. Maybe a Supercab with max towing package. My opinion, GN/fifth wheels = F-350 when purposely buying a new tow vehicle.

 

I like the idea of having a heavier truck to stop the load. I say 250 for sure.

 

Well I have 26 years of experience hauling farm equipment (tractors from 5000-7,500 lbs), cattle, hay and supplies with a F150 and an additional 6 years with a F250. Both get the job done. Sure, sometimes that old 351 had a hard time getting the load up to 55 mph but it got it done. The diesel pulls like a dream compared to my old 351 but it's not gonna be that much better than an ecoboost.

Your "there's no replacement for displacement" has nothing to do with this discussion, as you yourself said a few posts up that "you weren't talking about torque you were talking about the weight of the truck". So why now have you brought displacement back into the discussion? You appear to be one of those guys that doesn't realize that the GTDI engine is the future. No, the ecoboost doesn't have 700 ft lbs of torque but to tow 11000 lbs you don't need it. Why don't you take a look at the video of the F150 ecoboost towing 11000 lbs at nearly 90 mph for 24 hours straight? Then tell me that the F150 is not capable.


If he hauls everyday then yes he needs a Super Duty, otherwise the new F150 will do just fine. Yeah, it might take some air bags or helper springs but so what? The truck will be cheaper up front, get better fuel mileage, less fuel costs, less maintenance costs and will ride better.

 

I would get a new Super Duty with the 6.2 gasser or a used Super Duty with the gas V-10.

 

disregard.

 

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Its clear that any of the powertrains can get the job done. Like someone else mentioned the chasis is what you have to consider. If you want a GN trailer I would say get the F-250 or even a F-350. The 6.2 will get the job done in the SD but if money is no option then get the diesel.

 

It's not the weight you're pulling, it's the weight your truck will be carrying with a gooseneck that is the issue. I've pulled that much weight and more with my FX4 5.4L and the truck does very well, but I would not hesitate about going with an F250 with the 6.2L. You want the right tool for the job, and I think the F250 would be the better tool.

 

Side observation that kinds fits this discussion...

I have friends and family in Ag, and I live in a small enough town that there is still a lot of Ag business...

Observation -

People that buy trucks to haul Tractors, Horses, Cows, Hay bales, etc., generally won't think twice about loading a pick-up (any brand) up to 150-200% of rated capacity. They also don't have a problem with towing 10mph under the speed limit using 98% throttle....

People that buy trucks to haul Boats, Motorcycles, RV's, etc., generally freak out if you suggest you should use your truck at more than about 2/3's it's rated capacity. They also want to tow at 5mph over the limit, up hill and still have power to pass...

 

I say go for the F250 (diesel or gas) if you can afford it. Towing GN or 5th wheel trailers, you want the extra payload. You will be over the payload in the F150, and it just isn't safe to do that.

That is the reason my next truck will be an F250 (or 350)...I will be getting a 5th wheel trailer and the pin weight (empty) will be about equal to the payload of the F150. That's without 2 adults, 3 kids, a dog, firewood, etc.

For safety's sake, go with the Super Duty!

 

I agree with this observation. One more note: These people aren't driving at interstates which means thousands of people around them and 60mph+ speed limits. The safety risk is lower where they drive.

I've had my truck at least 1000 pounds over GVWR on several occasions and am willing to at any time. But I am not willing to do this on the highway during rush hour.

 

For displacement I meant weight and structure of the truck. Full floater rear axle, solid front axles of the F250 etc..

There is always someone that can get the job done with a Ranger and a lot of rope. I just like to have enough steel and power under me I don't have to fret.