Now, that's one shiny turd. Nice work on it. Prob took you 1/4the time it take you to do your truck. lol

 

I'd love to see it. Fax at will. 816-842-2828
Attn: Sean

If this is legit I'll scan it and post it after I get it. Thanks!

 

Heh - I already suggested he scan and post it and offered to do it for him if he doesn't have the technical ability. No response, and he's been posting here since. Don't hold your breath.

 

great job? what did u use? my dads 87 red ranger looks faded like that and i tried claying it but it was just make it smooth and didnt get rid of the faded look. but ended up waxing it anyway.

 

That's all clay does - removes embedded contaminants and makes it smooth. You then have to use the appropriate products and techniques to correct the paint issues.

 

i just waxed my truck yesterday...i forgot to use the claybar it came out great but i can still feel tiny little bumps you can say.Can i still use the claybar even though i just waxed my truck? i was thinking to use the clay bar then just put another coat of wax..oh and i use the megs gen nxt wax is there something that will give me a higher gloss look (wet look)

 

Yes, you can clay it now. That will remove the wax and you will have to redo it. To give it more "pop", you can use a pure carnauba wax over the NXT, the darker the color, the better that will look.

Have you read the detailing sticky yet?

 

Here is the doc that was faxed to me today...

 

1995-6 huh? Looks like it came from Finish Care Inc.

Thought he said this was to be from Ford manuals?

 

That does not tell you IN ANY WAY that you should not use clay. It only says that clay does not completely remove contaminants. It also says that color sanding, buffing, or compounding won't completely remove them either. It also says that Ford doesn't recommend the use of acid washes either.

RR, I think that is in fact out of an old Ford body service manual. Ford is just recommending Finish Care Inc. as a vendor for those decontamination chemicals. I can't find any info online about that company.

 

RollingRock/ glc - I agree with you both. A 12 yr old document is not solid grounds to say Clay Bars are unsafe. Just wanted to show you what he was rambling about!
Sean

 

I don't see where it says it's "not recommended by Ford" as advocated by the poster...it just says it doesn't completely remove the "X"...and I don't disagree with that.

 

Please be advised, I faxed a copy of an OEM service document related specifically to paint contaminents and the use of clay bar to NOVSUN88. He confirmed receipt, affirmed my statements and has posted it on this site. The point is...

1. There is a whole section on this subject in the service doc, I sent only a 1 page summary
2. the 1996 date was to indicate that the recommended procedure for removing both chemical & environmental contaminents dates back to 1996. I have the 2008 docs which state the same. basically to support that this info is not new and taught in all ICAR courses nationally for many years.

 

I mearly wanted you to fax the docs to me so that I could post them for others.. as information. If you want to send the 2008 doc's that'd be cool. Actually I'm more interested in them then the 1996 ones.

 

I'm getting ready to travel again, but, anyone who desires year by year verification, manufacturer by manufacturer can go to www.helminc.com, they have an online service which allows users to access any (well almost any) oem service manual online, page by page for each specific vehicle. While the recommended product names/suppliers differ, there is no oem (that I am aware of) that recommends using claybar for removal of any chemical or environmental contaminents during the last decade to the present, because of the residual contamination (which leads to further paint damage).

For those that have called me "every name under the sun" and implied that I would never have such a document, I hope that you will at least consider this.....
1. At no time did I send insults to anyone
2. I stated that I had docs to support my opinion & experience, I submitted such (one sample of many)
3. I appreciate the assistance of posting the doc.
4. It is difficult (at best) from my own experience, to find any industry certified automotive detailer (and I'm not referring to a "wax/detailing" retail manufacturer who may have a detailing course) who uses claybar for the purposes of this stated discussion (there are real uses for claybar, but not for chemical & environmental contaminents which covers 99% of finished paint maintenance issues)

I enjoy speaking with enthusiests who have differences of opinion, as I enjoy sharing and learning both new & old techniques regarding the variety of paint finishes that have been used throughout the decades (my fingers still ache from when my father painted the dash of his 32 coupe with 40 coats of lacquer- of which at age 11, I got to wet sand and rub out every 10 coats).

For those who were excessively verbal (with the posted and private name calling), I hope you have a change of heart and appreciation of a difference of view.