NASTY swirl marks in my black tailgate

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Old 08-17-2009 | 10:10 AM
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Good to hear.

ok hear is my revamped list
(in order)
1-Meguiars NXT Generation Car Wash
2-Meguiars Smooth Surface Clay Kit
3-Meguiars Mirror Glaze #105 Ultra-Cut Compound (just in case 205 does not cut it)
4- Meguiars Mirror Glaze #205 Ultra Finishing Polish
5-Meguiars #21 Synthetic Sealant 2.
6-Gold Class Liquid Wax
7-Meguiars Ultimate Quik Wax (just to have)
8-Porter Cable 7424XP Random Orbital Buffer
9-5" backing plate
10-White,orange and blue pads

One questions on the pads....any body use these's?

http://www.autogeek.net/ccs-5-5inch-...fing-pads.html
Yes your list looks good but get 2-orange,2 white,1-black,1 blue and make them all 5.5'' pads.
 
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Old 09-02-2009 | 08:49 PM
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ok, so I got to this today.

I started with the tailgate, then the sides of the truck.

Here is were I am at...Tail gate got two passes with ssr2.5, then one pass with ssr1, rest of the truck got one pass with ssr1.

Now as I was working I still could see all types of holograms in the paint, even new ones from me working (little ones what appear to be from my 5.5 pads) I went back over areas to get them out with little luck. But after I waxed it with tec 2.0 98% them are gone now....does this sounds right?

My tailgate still has a few and that even got a pass with an orange pad and ssr2.5, but again after I wax it it looks a lot better.


I want to know is this right?...I sure hope it is because it was a long day.

Thanks
 
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Old 09-02-2009 | 09:27 PM
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ok, so I got to this today.

I started with the tailgate, then the sides of the truck.

Here is were I am at...Tail gate got two passes with ssr2.5, then one pass with ssr1, rest of the truck got one pass with ssr1.

Now as I was working I still could see all types of holograms in the paint, even new ones from me working (little ones what appear to be from my 5.5 pads) I went back over areas to get them out with little luck. But after I waxed it with tec 2.0 98% them are gone now....does this sounds right?

My tailgate still has a few and that even got a pass with an orange pad and ssr2.5, but again after I wax it it looks a lot better.


I want to know is this right?...I sure hope it is because it was a long day.

Thanks
What pads are you using? Color that is.

Which version of the SSR's are they? New ones or old ones? To answer your question, no that is not normal.
 
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Old 09-02-2009 | 09:45 PM
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What pads are you using? Color that is.

Which version of the SSR's are they? New ones or old ones? To answer your question, no that is not normal.

Pads are white, I also tried orange on the tailgate with ssr2.5.

I believe they are the new ones. I got them from autogeek.net


also to add, tailgate got the most passes...which are.

1-ssr1 on white
2-ssr2.5 on white
3-ssr2.5 on orange (two passes)
4-ssr1 on white

Then I stopped as I still saw plenty of them in there...but After I got the wax on like I said 98% are gone...but I have a feeling that is only hiding them?
 

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Old 09-02-2009 | 10:02 PM
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Pads are white, I also tried orange on the tailgate with ssr2.5.

I believe they are the new ones. I got them from autogeek.net


also to add, tailgate got the most passes...which are.

1-ssr1 on white
2-ssr2.5 on white
3-ssr2.5 on orange (two passes)
4-ssr1 on white

Then I stopped as I still saw plenty of them in there...but After I got the wax on like I said 98% are gone...but I have a feeling that is only hiding them?
Ok, I presume you use SSR1 first to test it right? Seeing your pattern I can see that you probably did more dulling with the Orange pad (I really hate that one btw) then you didn't polish enough of what it did.

However, I wasn't there with you obviously. Is the SSR1 you have color yellow or pink?

If you are using the new yellow SSR1, it does leave a film behind you really need to get off before moving forward. It does have the appearce of holograms...but it's just residue.

Did you put a lot of pressure on the DA? Did you really bear down hard? Just wondering.
 
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Old 09-02-2009 | 10:34 PM
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Ok, I presume you use SSR1 first to test it right? Seeing your pattern I can see that you probably did more dulling with the Orange pad (I really hate that one btw) then you didn't polish enough of what it did. I did test it, from what I could tell it was working. It did remove all the fine marks/scratches . I did only use the orange pad on the tailgate though. But as soon as I got in the sun, I saw the holograms

However, I wasn't there with you obviously. Is the SSR1 you have color yellow or pink?
Yellow


If you are using the new yellow SSR1, it does leave a film behind you really need to get off before moving forward. It does have the appearce of holograms...but it's just residue. Yeah, I could tell it did leave behind resiude. I just put my work light on it right now and they is quite a bit that looks like it need to be wiped off. I can pull my finger though it and it leaves a path (if its that or the wax IDK)

Did you put a lot of pressure on the DA? Did you really bear down hard? Just wondering.Not a ton, put some pressure. With the tailgate was pushing the hardest with the orange pad. I also over lapped by about 50% each pass

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Old 09-02-2009 | 10:49 PM
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Blackjack, I have learned that the new SSR1 does behave differently, you can work the polish for a very long time. I suspect what you were seeing was the residue of SSR1 left behind. (I had that happen to me) It takes a little elbow grease to get it off. But if you work the polish long enough it becomes less hard to remove and "streaks" less.

That said, of the learnings I did while testing SSR1, I used a QD between applications to help remove the residue.
 
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Old 09-02-2009 | 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by RollingRock
Blackjack, I have learned that the new SSR1 does behave differently, you can work the polish for a very long time. I suspect what you were seeing was the residue of SSR1 left behind. (I had that happen to me) It takes a little elbow grease to get it off. But if you work the polish long enough it becomes less hard to remove and "streaks" less.

That said, of the learnings I did while testing SSR1, I used a QD between applications to help remove the residue.

QD?

Would the residue of the ssr1 kind of make the paint look milky in color?

Also, I worked it til it was dusty.....that's right right?
 
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Old 09-02-2009 | 11:00 PM
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QD?

Would the residue of the ssr1 kind of make the paint look milky in color?

Also, I worked it til it was dusty.....that's right right?
Yes, you said it perfectly before, when you moved your finger across it you could see it....that is residue from the polish. You can use a QD (Quick Detailer) to remove that residue or if you have an unlimited amount of MF's around just use a very clean one to take it off.

what can happen with SSR1 is that if you use the same MF to remove on several sections the MF can get loaded with the product and thus making it harder and harder to remove that residue.
 
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Old 09-02-2009 | 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by RollingRock
Yes, you said it perfectly before, when you moved your finger across it you could see it....that is residue from the polish. You can use a QD (Quick Detailer) to remove that residue or if you have an unlimited amount of MF's around just use a very clean one to take it off.

what can happen with SSR1 is that if you use the same MF to remove on several sections the MF can get loaded with the product and thus making it harder and harder to remove that residue.
Yes, I do have some QD, I will try that tomorrow, and hopefully that will do the trick, as far as that.
 
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Old 09-02-2009 | 11:40 PM
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Yes, I do have some QD, I will try that tomorrow, and hopefully that will do the trick, as far as that.
Remember to be patient with SSR1, it has a long working time...its cut is slower so don't get in a rush. Work a small section for a long time...check the work and keep going as needed.
 
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Old 09-03-2009 | 12:01 AM
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Remember to be patient with SSR1, it has a long working time...its cut is slower so don't get in a rush. Work a small section for a long time...check the work and keep going as needed.
Now that you say that....I think I started to get a little antsy the last 1 1/2 to finish up.

I will remember to slow it up....Is there a magic number of how many passes I should make in one area?

Thanks for all your help.
 
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Old 09-03-2009 | 12:19 AM
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Now that you say that....I think I started to get a little antsy the last 1 1/2 to finish up.

I will remember to slow it up....Is there a magic number of how many passes I should make in one area?

Thanks for all your help.
Each person is different...with a DA, I like to up the speed, don't max it out but hit it around speed 5...by going slow, I mean work the small area (2X2) slowly, lots of passes, zig zags, vertical, horizontal, vary the patter.


This maybe a bad example for you, but if you watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34Kbf4MmqCc

And skip to time 6:22 when I use the Flex...this is a stronger machine using a different product but you can get the idea of how long to work a section. using SSR1, I would double the amount of time used to work in if not tripple it.
(if you want to see how long I work 105 with a DA using a 3.5" pad watch the whole thing)


I wanted you to see this b/c Megs 205 also leaves some residue behind that is similar to SSR1 but SSR1 is much more visible than 205 on the residue.

you can bore yourself with the whole video but again just wanted you to get the idea of going slow.

Hope that helps and doesn't confuse you more.

RR

PS: I am working on some new videos but it takes time and that is something I am a tad short on right now.
 
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Old 09-04-2009 | 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by RollingRock
Each person is different...with a DA, I like to up the speed, don't max it out but hit it around speed 5...by going slow, I mean work the small area (2X2) slowly, lots of passes, zig zags, vertical, horizontal, vary the patter.


This maybe a bad example for you, but if you watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34Kbf4MmqCc

And skip to time 6:22 when I use the Flex...this is a stronger machine using a different product but you can get the idea of how long to work a section. using SSR1, I would double the amount of time used to work in if not tripple it.
(if you want to see how long I work 105 with a DA using a 3.5" pad watch the whole thing)


I wanted you to see this b/c Megs 205 also leaves some residue behind that is similar to SSR1 but SSR1 is much more visible than 205 on the residue.

you can bore yourself with the whole video but again just wanted you to get the idea of going slow.

Hope that helps and doesn't confuse you more.

RR

PS: I am working on some new videos but it takes time and that is something I am a tad short on right now.

Nice vid, helps me alot. I did have it on speed 5 so I should be good there. Although I did not do nearly as many passes as I should have it seems.

Next time I will make sure to do more passes and get all the residue off from the ssr1.


Thanks again for all your help. This was my first time doing this, but I am learning slowly but surely

O, do you happen to know how often this should be done without taking off too much of the clear coat?
 

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