The canned tunes come set for 87 on the towing tune and 91 on the Performance tune, but, the user can adujst the timing up or down to compensate for the difference in octane. Then, when you get the custom tunes, if it's the Gryphon, you can have Bill build in whatever octane you wish. As to mph gains, there are generally some slight gains with the canned tunes, but if economy is your wish, Bill can do a custom for economy.

 

I am assuming that the edge/gryphon can run it lean without a custom tuen. So techincally it should be running lean now? I am just asking because a friend of mine is a ford tech and told me that they have a 10% correction for the fuel mixture. If it was runnign lean it would throw a code. I understand the fact of having a tune for performance parts. I had an sti that I had dyno tuned. I just have never understood how someone can give you a map for your parts without dynoing it. Then again I guess they are not tuning to get every hp possible out of it?

 

I would suggest making yourself a list of questions and call them and discuss what you want to accomplish. You will be glad you did, whether you end up purchasing or not.

 

Yeah was planning on it. Thanks for the info though.

 

This has been discussed a lot, and it is my belief that it can be running slightly lean and not throw a code. The 04s and early 05s came from the factory in a near lean condition, and personally, I would never put on an after market intake without a custom tune. Some, though, have done it without throwing a code, some have thrown a code. You really need to talk to a tuner about how they approach it without a dyno. There is Bill at PHP, Justin at VMP, and Mike at Troyer. All know their stuff.

 

Well that leads to my next question. Money aside. Which would you say woul dbe the best quality way to go. I know thats probably hard to answer.

 

If you have no interest in the gauges at all, then possibly VMP. I use my gauges constantly, I would not have anything but the Gryphon.

 

Hey bluejay432000, have you seen the new SCT TSX/8900???

 

The best quality in my opinion would have to be the Gryphon. Contact Bill and talk with him about your needs and wants.

 

No, have not heard of it

 

I looked it up. Whoever does their webpage needs a few lessons in my opinion.

If I understand it correctly, it communicates with the PCM wirelessly through a plugin bluetooth transmitter you put in the OBDII port. This means you can put the device itself anywhere, even clip it to your ball cap brim should you desire. Actually, it's bigger than the Gryphon and they suggest you attach it to your windshield with a suction cup. But, the price you pay for this portability is a rechargeable battery you have to keep topped off using a USB cord.

It appears to have "gauges" too, which those of us who have Gryphons want and love. One picture leads me to believe some or many of the gauges are computer generated analog types, if that sort of thing turns you on. It's kind of a neat concept and what is used in modern aircraft instrument panels.

But, it appears you have to like the color "red" a lot. The case is red and the pictures of the generated gauges appear to be mostly red/black and white. And, I see no mention of custom tuning for it.

All told, it doesn't do a lot for me, but maybe I'm missing something.

- Jack

 

So biased Jack. They rushed the details and forgot some stuff, oops. Custom tuning will be available just like the X1, X2, X3, LW units. You will be able to set colors. The EE/GRY lacks so many PIDs for me to make it a usable tuning tool. With this new TSX, i can utilize practically any PID.

 

As I said, I might be missing something. I DID point out that their web page lackey needed some help, didn't I?

I can see that it could be a nice tool, but without any indication of custom tuning, it was not for me. Notice I DID think the concept of computer generated analog gauges was pretty cool, so I wasn't totally biased against it - I just don't like a lot of "red" in instruments - reminds me too much of old fashioned aircraft instrumentation. And, how many Ford interiors will the red case blend with if you use it as a set of aux gauges?

I also don't care for the need to recharge the battery if you use it as a set of gauges. How often is this necessary? I have enough trouble remembering to recharge my cell phone.

OK, on second thought, I AM biased! :o You caught me! Peace, brother - I was not trying to start a fight.

I suppose I think the Gryphon or a Scangauge is a better device for my monitoring needs. And too, I suspect your needs are different than mine - I freely admit I am not an "expert" at tuning, which is why I leave that task up to the professionals like Bill, Justin or Mike.

- Jack

 

For your case, I agree with you 100%. There's not enough scan capability in the current revision for a person of your capabilities or needs to be significant use. However, I am still working on it and expect to have live datalogging in the Gryphon by the end of the year. Still working on the USB interface and the GUI for the Pegasus software. Just keeps getting better and better.

Take care, bro.

 

Hey Bill, should i stick with the PRP or with the PHP custom tune software can i edit speed control, driver demand, engine overheat, etc...