Power Hungry Performance.... bad choice!
#31
i just got off the phone with Corey. they answered first call, talked me thru a few issues i was having (i am an idiot BTW) and then processes my order. i guess i was just lucky??? great people to talk to, will not go anywhere else for tunes...
#32
I for one will be ordering a tuner from PHP in the near future (like, when i get my income tax return). I have been a member on this board for several years, and even joined the forum at PHP to get even more background information ahead of time. I have a friend who started his own company out of his garage, building performance suspension parts for Camaros, Vette's, Mustangs and the like. Within 3 years he outgrew his garage and one man operation, recruited his wife and brother and father to work. It was a 24/7 non-stop job. I fully understand what Corey and Bill face every day. His company was attacked on message boards as well buy a handful of unsatisfied customers who thought a better course of action was to take their problems to the boards versus direct contact. Corey, if i was closer, i would volunteer a few hours a week answering phones, emails, or taking out the trash.. hang in there, darlin'. It will get better.. He never gives us more than we can handle...
#33
I've been to PHP for a live tune, so I can tell you first hand Bill & Corey will do everything possible for their customers. I've even volunteered to be an intern, but like Corey says, most everyone who calls, wants to talk to Bill, so that takes away from his time to work on tunes.
My advice is just to be patient and do not call during the week they say NO PHONE CALLS. They do that so they can catch up with orders, your patience will be rewarded with awesome tunes.
My advice is just to be patient and do not call during the week they say NO PHONE CALLS. They do that so they can catch up with orders, your patience will be rewarded with awesome tunes.
#34
I have php tunes on my 05 and my powerstroke.I hope the op feels like a real *** after he came on here accussing and found out that they have a family death that they had to attend to.If you would have read there bulliten then you would have known.And custom tunes took 4-6 weeks for me I believe but they didn't have family issues to deal with either.They are busy and it takes time.
#35
Well regardless, I hope that both the Op and PHP can come to a agreement that leave them both happy.
Before I bought my gryphon, I knew very well, not to expect anything for a month or so ( tunes ), and with the goings on, I am perfectly fine with waiting until the end of this month.
I realize that you have already paid quite a lot ( I my self pay right at $470 ) but I would be willing to assure you that they are not going to screw you, I can tell just by the way Cory acted on the phone.
I personally think you should just calm down, and get one of them on the phone, be nice, tell them you are sorry for acting like that and go from there.
Cory and Bill,
May what ever God you believe in bless you, and I hope thing start to get much better for you, hang in there and don't worry about me, the canned tunes are such a massive improvement over stock that I will be fine for a bit longer, I can only dream of the improvements the custom tunes will make.
I have already showed everyone at work the dash mount and told them how much I like it, not counting all my friends, myspace and facebook.
Before I bought my gryphon, I knew very well, not to expect anything for a month or so ( tunes ), and with the goings on, I am perfectly fine with waiting until the end of this month.
I realize that you have already paid quite a lot ( I my self pay right at $470 ) but I would be willing to assure you that they are not going to screw you, I can tell just by the way Cory acted on the phone.
I personally think you should just calm down, and get one of them on the phone, be nice, tell them you are sorry for acting like that and go from there.
Cory and Bill,
May what ever God you believe in bless you, and I hope thing start to get much better for you, hang in there and don't worry about me, the canned tunes are such a massive improvement over stock that I will be fine for a bit longer, I can only dream of the improvements the custom tunes will make.
I have already showed everyone at work the dash mount and told them how much I like it, not counting all my friends, myspace and facebook.
#36
So - yer lack of research & planning is the tuners' problem How?
You were told several times, with great patience and civility, what to do in the interim with yer Edge: L2, 91+octane, No timing bump. & take it easy.
BTW - there is always VMP - Expedited tuning option; you just need to cough up ~$400 for the X3.
You were told several times, with great patience and civility, what to do in the interim with yer Edge: L2, 91+octane, No timing bump. & take it easy.
BTW - there is always VMP - Expedited tuning option; you just need to cough up ~$400 for the X3.
And to everyone - The OP has been issued a full refund. He was unaware of the problems that PHP was having, which is what prompted his post. Let's just cut everyone some slack and get on with our lives.
- Jack
#38
Since almost every thread about PHP is how long the wait is, and how they run a buisness that is so buisy that they literally cannot answer the phone during the work week, why is it that ya'll down there can't hire someone to answer phones, process orders and handle custome service?
Serioulsy not trying to be malicious, when I can afford it, I'm going to buy a PHP tuner for my truck, just wondering.
Serioulsy not trying to be malicious, when I can afford it, I'm going to buy a PHP tuner for my truck, just wondering.
#39
Copy that, MGD, and thanks. We appreciate your attitude. Now, if everyone could just operate in this mode, we'd probably have a perfect world!
- Jack
- Jack
#40
well i emailed them at 1:50 pm today about a custom tune i thought i heard from somewhere that they can custom tune sct tuners so i emailed them and asked if they could well at 2:52 corey emailed me back saying ( yes, we do but at the moment there is probably a 6-8 week turnaround. if the wait is too long, i believe justin at vmp has a much shorter wait time :o) if the wait doesnt scare you too much, we'd be happy to help you!)
so a hour and 2 minute wait is not bad
so a hour and 2 minute wait is not bad
#41
Since almost every thread about PHP is how long the wait is, and how they run a buisness that is so buisy that they literally cannot answer the phone during the work week, why is it that ya'll down there can't hire someone to answer phones, process orders and handle custome service?
Serioulsy not trying to be malicious, when I can afford it, I'm going to buy a PHP tuner for my truck, just wondering.
Serioulsy not trying to be malicious, when I can afford it, I'm going to buy a PHP tuner for my truck, just wondering.
The reason a "telephone person" won't work is:
1. Because of the technical questions that people ask when they're ordering. It has taken Bill close to a year to get Corey to the level needed - and they live together!
2. People ordering tunes really want to speak to "The Man" (Bill). They're simply not sure what they want and they need his guidance to help them make their order.
3. Because of the volume of business that PHP has suddenly acquired, Bill has no time to train a suitable "telephone person", and once they have the needed understanding of ALL tuning parameters (both gas and diesel), could he afford to pay them what they would be worth?
There's probably even more reasons why your suggestion won't work well, but maybe you can get a bit of the picture from this.2. People ordering tunes really want to speak to "The Man" (Bill). They're simply not sure what they want and they need his guidance to help them make their order.
3. Because of the volume of business that PHP has suddenly acquired, Bill has no time to train a suitable "telephone person", and once they have the needed understanding of ALL tuning parameters (both gas and diesel), could he afford to pay them what they would be worth?
- Jack
#42
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Since almost every thread about PHP is how long the wait is, and how they run a buisness that is so buisy that they literally cannot answer the phone during the work week, why is it that ya'll down there can't hire someone to answer phones, process orders and handle custome service?
Serioulsy not trying to be malicious, when I can afford it, I'm going to buy a PHP tuner for my truck, just wondering.
Serioulsy not trying to be malicious, when I can afford it, I'm going to buy a PHP tuner for my truck, just wondering.
#43
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This is a fair question, and I'm going to take a stab at answering it. Corey will probably correct me if I'm wrong.
The reason a "telephone person" won't work is:
- Jack
The reason a "telephone person" won't work is:
1. Because of the technical questions that people ask when they're ordering. It has taken Bill close to a year to get Corey to the level needed - and they live together!
2. People ordering tunes really want to speak to "The Man" (Bill). They're simply not sure what they want and they need his guidance to help them make their order.
3. Because of the volume of business that PHP has suddenly acquired, Bill has no time to train a suitable "telephone person", and once they have the needed understanding of ALL tuning parameters (both gas and diesel), could he afford to pay them what they would be worth?
There's probably even more reasons why your suggestion won't work well, but maybe you can get a bit of the picture from this.2. People ordering tunes really want to speak to "The Man" (Bill). They're simply not sure what they want and they need his guidance to help them make their order.
3. Because of the volume of business that PHP has suddenly acquired, Bill has no time to train a suitable "telephone person", and once they have the needed understanding of ALL tuning parameters (both gas and diesel), could he afford to pay them what they would be worth?
- Jack
Last edited by openclasspro#11; 02-03-2010 at 06:05 AM.
#44
OP. i called and talked to bill today for a good 20 minutes as he reset/updated my gryphon. customers like me are probably the reason his tunes take awhile. I will admit , i was one of the guys slamming PHP when all i had was an edge and i didn't deal with them. after talking with them 4 times about this tuner and then actually having them hook me up, i fully understand why those that defend them, choose to do so. my $0,02
openclass,
your HVAC-R company is nothing like PHP. you can get guys that have been trained from a variety of places. i AM NOT saying being a HVAC-R tech is easy, just saying the talent pool is much much deeper. PHP has to pic from super-chips/edge/banks etc.. you get my point?
side note--i have read every post you have wrote in this thread and see your a thriving company. Congrats to you for sure.
openclass,
your HVAC-R company is nothing like PHP. you can get guys that have been trained from a variety of places. i AM NOT saying being a HVAC-R tech is easy, just saying the talent pool is much much deeper. PHP has to pic from super-chips/edge/banks etc.. you get my point?
side note--i have read every post you have wrote in this thread and see your a thriving company. Congrats to you for sure.
#45
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OP. i called and talked to bill today for a good 20 minutes as he reset/updated my gryphon. customers like me are probably the reason his tunes take awhile. I will admit , i was one of the guys slamming PHP when all i had was an edge and i didn't deal with them. after talking with them 4 times about this tuner and then actually having them hook me up, i fully understand why those that defend them, choose to do so. my $0,02
openclass,
your HVAC-R company is nothing like PHP. you can get guys that have been trained from a variety of places. i AM NOT saying being a HVAC-R tech is easy, just saying the talent pool is much much deeper. PHP has to pic from super-chips/edge/banks etc.. you get my point?
side note--i have read every post you have wrote in this thread and see your a thriving company. Congrats to you for sure.
openclass,
your HVAC-R company is nothing like PHP. you can get guys that have been trained from a variety of places. i AM NOT saying being a HVAC-R tech is easy, just saying the talent pool is much much deeper. PHP has to pic from super-chips/edge/banks etc.. you get my point?
side note--i have read every post you have wrote in this thread and see your a thriving company. Congrats to you for sure.
including knowledge-they must be:
passionate about their work
eager to learn
a team player
held accountable for their actions
responsible
loyal
reliable
able to listen to customer's wants and needs -and address them
these are just a few-i remind them daily-w/o the customer-i'm not needed, if i'm not needed- neither are employees-trust me, I reward my employees handsomely,knock on wood-ZERO TURNOVER.
Last edited by openclasspro#11; 02-03-2010 at 06:06 AM.