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Old 03-09-2010 | 01:32 PM
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Need advice on CTS custom tuning

Just installed an Edge CTS on my 2001 F150 SuperCrew about a week ago. I am currently running at power level 2 with the timing advanced 1.00 and the shifts firmed to 12%. I run 89 octane all the time, I am about 900 feet above sea level. This sound alright so far. Just wondering what works for others and what more I can do. Trying to squeeze more power and gas mileage out. I know thats a lot to ask, but what works for one or the other?

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Old 03-09-2010 | 01:44 PM
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Good afternoon!
You should have titled the thread "Need Advice on Custom Settings for the Edge CTS?"
Seeing the title I was already to tell you that the custom tunes aren't available yet from PHP. But then I seen what information you are after.
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Old 03-09-2010 | 02:00 PM
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Sorry about that, should have been more specific. LOL!
Wasn't very clear.
 
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Old 03-09-2010 | 02:00 PM
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Renegade, I would not "firm" up the 3-4 upshift or 4-3 downshift quite as much as the other two. It puts stress on the mechanicals if you do. My advice would be to try +9 for the final upshift/downshift point.

And, if you are trying to save on gas, you could try reducing the part throttle upshift/downshift points as well as the part throttle torque converter lock/unlock points. This will have the effect of getting you into a higher gear sooner and keeping you there longer with the TC locked. I'm assuming you have those adjustments on a CTS?

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Old 03-09-2010 | 02:18 PM
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I am interested in the "custom settings" as well. Are the values in the CTS the same as the Evolution? I had settings in the Evolution that i liked, could I just transfer those numbers onto the CTS
 
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Old 03-10-2010 | 11:25 AM
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How about for an 2007 FX4 5.4. How should I custom tune it on level 2 edge cts evolutuion?
 
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Old 03-10-2010 | 11:51 AM
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How about for an 2007 FX4 5.4. How should I custom tune it on level 2 edge cts evolutuion?
By leaving the custom options settings alone!

Seriously, why do you want to change anything? Do you honestly think any of us "ordinary drivers" could possibly be better "tuners" than the engineers at Edge?

Now, if there is something in the tune you don't like, and you understand what changing the parameters will do, then you can make small changes to the tune, to satisfy YOUR needs, NOT OURS!

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Old 03-10-2010 | 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by gilsnuxs
I am interested in the "custom settings" as well. Are the values in the CTS the same as the Evolution? I had settings in the Evolution that i liked, could I just transfer those numbers onto the CTS
Probably, but I would ask the Tech Support people at Edge about this. You actually know more about the CTS vs the Evolution than I do, since you have experience with both.

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Old 03-10-2010 | 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by JackandJanet
By leaving the custom options settings alone!

Seriously, why do you want to change anything? Do you honestly think any of us "ordinary drivers" could possibly be better "tuners" than the engineers at Edge?

Now, if there is something in the tune you don't like, and you understand what changing the parameters will do, then you can make small changes to the tune, to satisfy YOUR needs, NOT OURS!

- Jack
Well Jack your right about the engineers at edge have written a program to enhance our vehicles. But it is still a generic mod upgrade to satisfy everyones performance. Thats why were here talking on this forum to GIVE and Get advice on what we can do to better the performance. We were more specificaly looking for advice from NOT the ordinary driver, but from someone who has experience with what we are talking about. And thats exactly what we are asking, what are the small changes one can do? I'm not trying to satisfy YOUR needs as you put but to just get a little help or some good criticism.
 
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Old 03-10-2010 | 01:20 PM
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Yes, I can alter shift points, have not played with it at all. Not sure about torque converter lock-up. Dont remember that I could change the downshifts either.

Anyway I just wanted to see what has worked for others and how they had changed their settings succesfully.

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Old 03-10-2010 | 01:26 PM
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Well Jack your right about the engineers at edge have written a program to enhance our vehicles. But it is still a generic mod upgrade to satisfy everyones performance. Thats why were here talking on this forum to GIVE and Get advice on what we can do to better the performance. We were more specificaly looking for advice from NOT the ordinary driver, but from someone who has experience with what we are talking about. And thats exactly what we are asking, what are the small changes one can do? I'm not trying to satisfy YOUR needs as you put but to just get a little help or some good criticism.
You don't understand what I'm saying. What exactly are you trying to achieve? Unless YOU know what you want, it's pointless to ask for custom option settings.

All you have to do is look at the Custom Options menu to see what can be changed, and if you read the manual, they probably tell you some of the reasons to make those changes.

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Old 03-10-2010 | 01:42 PM
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The manual shows you how to change the settings and how to navigate the menu, beyond that it is not very helpful.

I want to run 89 octane(this is cheapest here, 91-93 is 40 to 50 cents more a gallon) so I need to run Power level 2 Towing mode but was wondering how far if any I can advance the timing for running 89 over the 87 that it requires and what to look for if I go too far.

Or if I can run it on Power level 3 Extreme mode and retard the timing a little for lack of using better fuel(91 octane)

This make sense?

Thanks
Rick
 
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Old 03-10-2010 | 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Renegade1000
The manual shows you how to change the settings and how to navigate the menu, beyond that it is not very helpful.

I want to run 89 octane(this is cheapest here, 91-93 is 40 to 50 cents more a gallon) so I need to run Power level 2 Towing mode but was wondering how far if any I can advance the timing for running 89 over the 87 that it requires and what to look for if I go too far.

Or if I can run it on Power level 3 Extreme mode and retard the timing a little for lack of using better fuel(91 octane)

This make sense?

Thanks
Rick
Hello & Good day sir!

I do not own an Edge, but I looked at the manual and it indeed does specify the correct timing bumps (along with caveats/warnings) w.r.t fuel octane.

You can even run L3 on 89 octane if you really wanted.

Would you like me to quote the passages or relay the page numbers to you?

To be fair - the vast bulk of custom setting 'tweaks' reside right at yer fingertips on this forum ( Search function) - there are literally hundreds of posts with detailed info on this. In fact - member "XtremBawls" was gonna collate them all into a Sticky'. Git on his case - it may actually get done!

As far as what to look for - that can be problematic - usually the truck's PCM will pull timing even before you can discern any audible knock - the knock-sensing system is that good. So the end result is actually reduced power.

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Old 03-10-2010 | 01:58 PM
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Themme have it, just went through my manual again dont see it anywhere, My manual looks like a photocopied version stapled together
 
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Old 03-10-2010 | 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Renegade1000
The manual shows you how to change the settings and how to navigate the menu, beyond that it is not very helpful.

I want to run 89 octane(this is cheapest here, 91-93 is 40 to 50 cents more a gallon) so I need to run Power level 2 Towing mode but was wondering how far if any I can advance the timing for running 89 over the 87 that it requires and what to look for if I go too far.

Or if I can run it on Power level 3 Extreme mode and retard the timing a little for lack of using better fuel(91 octane)

This make sense?

Thanks
Rick
Rick, do I understand correctly that you do not have 87 octane where you live? If that is the case, how is your fuel graded? Is it the Research Octane number or is it the US standard (R + M)/2? I ask this because it makes a BIG difference in what you can do.

IF you use 89 octane (R + M)/2 fuel, you SHOULD be able to advance the spark by 1 degree in the Level 1 and Level 2 tunes, but I'd probably try 0.5 at first and if things seem all right, try 0.75 and then 1.0. As MGDfan pointed out, if the engine detects knock, it's going to retard spark - a lot! And, if this happens, power and mileage is going to suffer. Trouble is, I don't know if you'll be able to "feel" the difference.

You CAN use a Level 3 tune and retard the spark by 1.0 degrees again assuming you're using 89 (R + M)/2 gas, but this should only be done in an emergency. There are other changes you have no control over in the 91+octane tune that can result in engine damage when you use it with a lower octane fuel, so it's never a good idea to use low octane gas in a high octane tune.

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