CS & CTS for '09-'10, How about some updated stats???
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09-14-2010, 08:42 PM
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There is some great information here, but I still haven't seen any updated stats. Anyone place their truck on a dyno with the new tuner to see the difference before and after tunes? Anyone run a 0-60 or 1/4 mile before and after? How about MPG changes?
As a side note, I don't expect to see much in the way of gas mileage increases because the temperature is dropping. My '09 KR 4x4 SCREW averages 17.5 in the summer and only 16.5 in the winter.
As a side note, I don't expect to see much in the way of gas mileage increases because the temperature is dropping. My '09 KR 4x4 SCREW averages 17.5 in the summer and only 16.5 in the winter.
#32
09-14-2010, 09:02 PM
My mileage has not changed, really. Driving on the level 3 setting on a trip back from WV, I averaged 20.8. This is nearly all driving within 5mph of posted limit 65-70 mph, and not stomping the gas. I was doing about the same on the same ride before. Commuting back and forth to work this week, mostly rural back roads with a few stop lights sprinkled in, I'm averaging 16.7, again about the same as pre-programmer. I haven't tried the economy setting yet. I'll try it after I use the 93 octane fuel in the tank. It is fun to stomp it a little on the level 3 setting, though. No plans to dyno it. Don't have the time to even consider that.
#33
09-15-2010, 06:34 AM
Won't know about MPG changes until I've run 4-5 tank fulls. I have no intention of getting the TQ/HP changes measured on the dyno.
As I said above, DBW/torque limit is noticeably better as are the shifts.
I did take a 262 mile trip yesterday (all interstate) and had the highest MPG (19.8). But that could easily be caused by a number of different factors and I WOULD NOT ATTRIBUTE IT TO THE CTS (yet).
http://www.fuelly.com/driver/shotgun/f150
EDIT: One more interesting tidbit. Either the canned Edge economy tune or the CTS disables the VHR. Not a big deal, just found it interesting. I suspect it may have something to do with the CANbus communication protocol (too many devices? CTS seen as an illegal/foreign device?). I haven't tried disconnecting the CTS and running the report (yet).
As I said above, DBW/torque limit is noticeably better as are the shifts.
I did take a 262 mile trip yesterday (all interstate) and had the highest MPG (19.8). But that could easily be caused by a number of different factors and I WOULD NOT ATTRIBUTE IT TO THE CTS (yet).
http://www.fuelly.com/driver/shotgun/f150
EDIT: One more interesting tidbit. Either the canned Edge economy tune or the CTS disables the VHR. Not a big deal, just found it interesting. I suspect it may have something to do with the CANbus communication protocol (too many devices? CTS seen as an illegal/foreign device?). I haven't tried disconnecting the CTS and running the report (yet).
Last edited by shotgunz; 09-15-2010 at 07:30 AM.
#35
09-15-2010, 08:21 AM
Installed my Edge/Gryphon CTS last Friday. Running canned tunes on my 09 5.4L until PHP finishes my custom tunes (87 performance, 87 towing); I'll leave the canned 93 performance alone.
Installation went well (I did update via Fusion first) and it only took 10-15 minutes to program to level 1; I thought I read the SCT XCAL3 takes 45 minutes.
DBW/torque limit is noticeably better as are the shifts. Haven't driven enough to know about MPG. I don't drive my truck hard, so I won't be a a good butt dyno reporter.
Installation went well (I did update via Fusion first) and it only took 10-15 minutes to program to level 1; I thought I read the SCT XCAL3 takes 45 minutes.
DBW/torque limit is noticeably better as are the shifts. Haven't driven enough to know about MPG. I don't drive my truck hard, so I won't be a a good butt dyno reporter.
And I also wonder, given the above, if it's only the TCM calibration that was saved - remember the initial Save of the Full stock PCM and TCM calibrations took a majority of the time on an X3. After that it was fairly quick (based upon data from Smokewagun).
Pehaps ask Bill, since he uses both devices? Just curious.
MGD
#36
09-15-2010, 08:59 AM
You might be right as the Edge manual is 'wrong' or unclear:
I figured I'd wait until my custom tunes are done. Bill has more than enough on his plate to have me pestering him.
The CS/CTS Evolution typically has 4 levels, and each is tuned specifically for different driving situations. The level names are reflective of what the driving level should be used for. As a general rule of thumb the Economy level has the lowest power output, and the Extreme level has the highest power output. The Performance, and Extreme levels should be used only when you desire a high power output from the vehicle.
WARNING: Performance and Extreme levels are not intended for, and should not be used for towing. Do not exceed your vehicle’s max GVWR as outlined in the vehicle’s owner’s manual. Doing so may result in loss of vehicle control and cause bodily injury.
Trans Only- The Trans Only level only makes changes to the transmission.
It will provide firmer transmission shifts which help increase transmission life.
Economy - The economy level is the lowest power setting. It has been
specifically tuned for optimum fuel economy, we recommend using this level for daily driving.
Towing - The towing level is designed for towing, Tuning strategies are optimized to provide power where it is needed most in order to move a load.
Performance - The Performance level is a high power level. The fuel injection and timing strategies are tuned semi aggressively to extract substantial
power gains from the vehicle without sacrificing drivability or durability.
Extreme - This is the highest setting for the Evolution. The fuel injection
and timing strategies are aggressively tuned to extract high performance from
your vehicle without sacrificing drivability or durability.
WARNING: Performance and Extreme levels are not intended for, and should not be used for towing. Do not exceed your vehicle’s max GVWR as outlined in the vehicle’s owner’s manual. Doing so may result in loss of vehicle control and cause bodily injury.
Trans Only- The Trans Only level only makes changes to the transmission.
It will provide firmer transmission shifts which help increase transmission life.
Economy - The economy level is the lowest power setting. It has been
specifically tuned for optimum fuel economy, we recommend using this level for daily driving.
Towing - The towing level is designed for towing, Tuning strategies are optimized to provide power where it is needed most in order to move a load.
Performance - The Performance level is a high power level. The fuel injection and timing strategies are tuned semi aggressively to extract substantial
power gains from the vehicle without sacrificing drivability or durability.
Extreme - This is the highest setting for the Evolution. The fuel injection
and timing strategies are aggressively tuned to extract high performance from
your vehicle without sacrificing drivability or durability.
#37
09-15-2010, 09:06 AM
Discussed before recently: https://www.f150online.com/forums/ch...s-missing.html
So - don't bother with any mileage calculations on a trans-only tune - better instead to monitor tranny temps stock versus tuned - to see if the reduction in slippage is helping any. And - also monitor the TC lockup flag.
MGD
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#42
09-15-2010, 01:13 PM
Here's some more pix......
https://www.f150online.com/forums/ch...e-cts-pix.html
Its a work in progress.......
https://www.f150online.com/forums/ch...e-cts-pix.html
Its a work in progress.......
#43
09-15-2010, 01:25 PM
Here's some more pix......
https://www.f150online.com/forums/ch...e-cts-pix.html
Its a work in progress.......
https://www.f150online.com/forums/ch...e-cts-pix.html
Its a work in progress.......
MGD
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#44
09-15-2010, 02:24 PM
Depends on which way you look at it I guess........
I've got more pix to take tonight.
And
Edge still hasn't added somethings but who knows when that will happen? Probably a week after I go out and get a X3.
I've got more pix to take tonight.
And
Edge still hasn't added somethings but who knows when that will happen? Probably a week after I go out and get a X3.