v-10 or diesel
#46
11-12-2006, 03:26 PM
Boy I hope some of you are wrong about the diesels. I bought mine without the intent to really ever tow and haul anything more then a small horse trailer in a few years if the current girl and I ever end up tieing the knott.
I bought mine to sit side by side with the bike and only use on rainy days back and forth to work, but I do love it and will just have to deal with any extra operating costs.
I bought mine to sit side by side with the bike and only use on rainy days back and forth to work, but I do love it and will just have to deal with any extra operating costs.
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11-12-2006, 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Hillhound
And that describes about 85% of non-fleet diesel owners. Folks buy them because they're the "biggest and baddest" and most expensive engine offered in light pickups. Most end up being high-dollar pavement queens that yuppies drive for status symbols.
And to the expert who made the lame attempt to claim Dodge's old 8.0L V10 was superior to Ford's V10, do some research before making such a goofy claim. A 2V 6.8L V10 will easily out-accelerate a Dodge V10 towing and unloaded and gets better mileage to boot.
Truck Trend and other truck mags did a few tests comparing some 6.8L Fords, V10 Dodges and some GM 8.1Ls and whaddaya know?? The Dodge finished waaaaay last towing/uloaded o-60 and quarter mile every time. Check out some truck mag website archives if you don't believe me. Myneighbor has a 2000 V10 Ram and it's a t-u-r-d. Can't get out of it's own way and gets 10mpg highway.
Dodge quit making that POS for a reason and now the biggest motor they offer in an HD pickup is the mighty 5.7L....it's a real beast for a tow engine too, ain't it!!
And to the expert who made the lame attempt to claim Dodge's old 8.0L V10 was superior to Ford's V10, do some research before making such a goofy claim. A 2V 6.8L V10 will easily out-accelerate a Dodge V10 towing and unloaded and gets better mileage to boot.
Truck Trend and other truck mags did a few tests comparing some 6.8L Fords, V10 Dodges and some GM 8.1Ls and whaddaya know?? The Dodge finished waaaaay last towing/uloaded o-60 and quarter mile every time. Check out some truck mag website archives if you don't believe me. Myneighbor has a 2000 V10 Ram and it's a t-u-r-d. Can't get out of it's own way and gets 10mpg highway.
Dodge quit making that POS for a reason and now the biggest motor they offer in an HD pickup is the mighty 5.7L....it's a real beast for a tow engine too, ain't it!!
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11-13-2006, 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by SuperSport1985
Truck Trend wasn't even around when the first Ford/Dodge V10 came out the Ford V10 is a high revving engine and had no low end
So what?? TT was around in 2001 in time to do a good shootout between a 2001 or 2000 Ford V10, Dodge V10 and a GM 8.1L. I already told you the results.
As far as your claim the 6.8L don't make no low end torque, you're wrong again. The 2V V10 in the 2000 to 2004 SDs is rated for 400lb-ft at only 1900rpm. The peak output is 425lb-ft at 3250rpm...do the math and you'll find that means it makes 94% of it's available torque at only 1900rpm. The only other gas engine currently offered that's even close to being in the same league is the GM 8.1 and the new V10s blow it away in HP and torque.
Remember, I'm talking about the old 2V V10 which will tow circles around an old Dodge 8.0L and get better mpg to boot. The '05 to present 3V V10s are even more powerful.
Like I said, D/C quite making that engine for a reason.
#50
11-13-2006, 08:38 AM
i miss my V-10
i was raised on diesels, I bought my '01 F-250 it had a V-10. I bought it cheap (couldn't resist the price) and the V-10 pulled anything i asked it to, it was more wife and neighbor friendly, fuel usage wasn't too bad either. I had a K&N drop in filter and a hypertech programer. miles got to high and I traded it in on a F-150 w/ 5.4 man do i miss that truck
you will not regret the V-10
you will not regret the V-10
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11-16-2006, 05:23 AM
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could someone tell me what, exactly, is braking on these PSD engines?
if i remember correctly your suppose to let diesels "idle" to there operating temps before you ever "work" them.. PSD that are built properly give bout as much a crap about idling as they do pulling a 15,000lb trailer..
if i remember correctly your suppose to let diesels "idle" to there operating temps before you ever "work" them.. PSD that are built properly give bout as much a crap about idling as they do pulling a 15,000lb trailer..
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11-16-2006, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by UberDude
could someone tell me what, exactly, is braking on these PSD engines?
if i remember correctly your suppose to let diesels "idle" to there operating temps before you ever "work" them.. PSD that are built properly give bout as much a crap about idling as they do pulling a 15,000lb trailer..
if i remember correctly your suppose to let diesels "idle" to there operating temps before you ever "work" them.. PSD that are built properly give bout as much a crap about idling as they do pulling a 15,000lb trailer..
I'm sure a little google research will yield more info......
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11-16-2006, 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Kool Aid
The most common problem I have read about, is the head bolts pulling out of the block.
I'm sure a little google research will yield more info......
I'm sure a little google research will yield more info......
Also, they are known for EGR clogging, but that is an easy fix (and fun) ... at least once a week (if not sooner), get on it and run the RPM's up over 3000. Just put the 'pedal to the metal' and let the computer do the rest (but be safe and know when to let up). Helps keep the carbon from building up around the valve. These engines do like to work.
A diesel will never really warm up until you make it work. Mine idles at the most about 30 seconds before I start to drive, but I don't get on it until the temp guage gets up in the normal range as it can be hard on the engine.
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11-17-2006, 08:46 AM
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The maintenance is not bad but more than a gasser. It costs me about $50.00 to change the oil and the fuel filter is more I don't mind the extra cost and work. I like the feel of the 6.0 and the noise it makes. The extra cost yes it did cost more but not $5000 it was about $2100 for mine. It's a personal opinion on witch one is better. I have been driving a truck for almost 40 years and have owned all the truck mfg and I will take a F350 6.0 Diesel hands down. I have to say that my Dodge 318 had the best sound of any truck I have owned. My Chevy was my first lifted truck. My 1954 Ford F-100 was the best gasser of all . My 1998 F250 almost burnt down my house due to a Ford recall. No more gas for me after that!!!!! If you like it go with it because your payment is due so you better like it!
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11-17-2006, 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by CajunJosh
The most common I've heard about with the 6.0 was the high pressure fuel pump which takes the incomming fuel from the regular pump and pressurizes it up to around 3000 psi. The dealer said they have replaced alot of those but other then that not any other major problems.
#59
01-07-2007, 04:57 PM
(Using average mpg from ford-trucks dot com)
Diesel gets 20% better fuel mileage than the V10. (12.5 vs. 15)
That should add up, no?
That's right, No. Around here, Diesel is also 20% more expensive. ($2.16 vs. $2.60).
$ per mile is nearly identical. A complete wash. You will Never pay back the diesel premium with fuel savings.
Whatever your reason for buying diesel might be, it should not be fuel savings.
p.s. A quarter million miles on the V10 in my driveway, still running strong.
Diesel gets 20% better fuel mileage than the V10. (12.5 vs. 15)
That should add up, no?
That's right, No. Around here, Diesel is also 20% more expensive. ($2.16 vs. $2.60).
$ per mile is nearly identical. A complete wash. You will Never pay back the diesel premium with fuel savings.
Whatever your reason for buying diesel might be, it should not be fuel savings.
p.s. A quarter million miles on the V10 in my driveway, still running strong.
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01-07-2007, 06:02 PM
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I own a 2005 F350 Diesel and If I was worried about mileage I would have purchased a Ranger with a 4 banger. You will never get your money back with what you save with a Diesel! The reason I purchased a Diesel is I pull a trailer all over the USA. I wanted a motor that will last. You have to feel a Diesel to understand. I like the sound and the feel. I put a Leveling Kit on it and 35" tires it looks good it feels good and it sounds good. The V-10 is a nice motor and it is tough but I wanted a diesel. My truck is not a mall parking lot 4x4 it is used at the shore in Virginia THIS BEST STATE IN THE US. I pull in hot weather with the air on and I have never had a problem.This is a heavy duty truck and I avg. 17 mpg summer/winter not bad for a truck that size and weight.So if you don't want the extra cost for fuel and oil and filters don't purchase a Diesel!