2008 F450 Thoughts?
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Those trucks are the meanest, baddest, toughest looking trucks ever built, IMO at least. They look mean as hell. Couple simple mods, and they are down right gorgeous.
I really can't imagine Ford going forward with the 6.4 UNLESS they knew it would be a GREAT engine after the 6.0 issues. They could not afford another bad diesel.
I say go for it!
I really can't imagine Ford going forward with the 6.4 UNLESS they knew it would be a GREAT engine after the 6.0 issues. They could not afford another bad diesel.
I say go for it!
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IMO Overkill for the average guy, but if you plan on moving some really heavy loads really often then go ahead. but for the price I would look at what I would need it for, considering that Ford Intended this truck for farmers and other people who would likely use it for extreme hauling on a regular basis (i.e. retirees who haul a 40ft 5th wheel around the U.S.). But on another note, If you got the money and you like it that much..... Why not .
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Originally Posted by jsnsan
IMO Overkill for the average guy, but if you plan on moving some really heavy loads really often then go ahead. but for the price I would look at what I would need it for, considering that Ford Intended this truck for farmers and other people who would likely use it for extreme hauling on a regular basis (i.e. retirees who haul a 40ft 5th wheel around the U.S.). But on another note, If you got the money and you like it that much..... Why not .
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Originally Posted by Lumadar
I really can't imagine Ford going forward with the 6.4 UNLESS they knew it would be a GREAT engine after the 6.0 issues.
You're kidding right? Have you been under a rock? The 6.4L has been an all out flop since day one. So far its made the 03 6.0L look good. Ford's fix for the flame thrower, detune the engine to nothing when it gets hot Talk about a bandaid repair. Ford has no choice but to go ahead with the 6.4L. The new Tier III emissions standards require that the 6.4L be released by MY08 and the 6.0L had no hope of passing Tier III. This is why Dodge came out with the 6.7L Cummins for 08 as well, the 5.9L couldn't pass standards.
Honestly I wouldn't touch a 6.4L as of right now given the present problems and the imminent split between Ford and Navistar. Ford has already started designing their own in house diesel (train wreck in progress there), and thusly Navistar has filed suit for the remainder of their contract with Ford (current expires in 2011). This means that the 6.4L will have a very short life in Ford trucks (planned replacement is in 2010) and could become the ultimate red headed step child of the group.
My current employer (CNH) through our parent company is a Ford Partner, thus I get X plan, and additionally our whole service truck fleet (20 trucks for the combine division alone) are all Ford. For next years new trucks we have started actively looking at Dodge and Chevy (probably end up with a Dodge 5500) due to the 6.0L problems and the new 6.4L. I didn't think I'd ever see us try and walk away from Ford trucks.
Anyhow as for the 08 F450s, what are you planning to use it for? Service truck, hauler, grocery getter, etc? Baseline they gross up to 26k for combination weight. Depending on the state anything over 18k or so (gotta get out my DOT regs) may require the use of a med card and DOT numbers for anything beyond blatant personal use. PA is one of those states Also keep in mind that the 450s and 550s won't have gears any higher than 4.30s so fuel mileage isn't going to be all that great. Heck our 03 F550 4x4 service truck with a 6.0L gets around 10-12mpg with no trailer (truck weighs in at 13,900), loaded to 26k max I see usually around 7mpg. While they look cool, unless you need to have that large of a truck for business reasons I'd find another truck.
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Originally Posted by powerstroke73
You're kidding right? Have you been under a rock? The 6.4L has been an all out flop since day one. So far its made the 03 6.0L look good. Ford's fix for the flame thrower, detune the engine to nothing when it gets hot Talk about a bandaid repair.
I've heard of ONE problem, and it has been fixed. You obviously aren't biased and don't have anything against the Navistar 6 liter series engines, so I'm sure you didn't embellish a little bit.
Phew, close one, we almost told a guy to buy a truck with 1 well-known problem that has been fixed.
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Originally Posted by powerstroke73
Honestly I wouldn't touch a 6.4L as of right now given the present problems and the imminent split between Ford and Navistar. Ford has already started designing their own in house diesel (train wreck in progress there), and thusly Navistar has filed suit for the remainder of their contract with Ford (current expires in 2011). This means that the 6.4L will have a very short life in Ford trucks (planned replacement is in 2010) and could become the ultimate red headed step child of the group.
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I'd love to own a diesel... but nowadays the gov't is pushing WAYYYY too hard on the diesel emissions.
I think they should fix gasoline engine emissions way before diesel engine emissions only because there are more gas engines running the road than diesel.
Personally I dunno why the heck the government is pressing on the diesel emissions since a diesel engine can use a home-made biodiesel fuel. Seems as if the government wants us all to own gas hogging 8 liter V8's... so they can get rich quick instead of the people getting creative and having their diesel factory in their kitchen for a lot less. You would think that the government would be helping out the people start on a new and innovative way to get from point a to point b.
I think they should fix gasoline engine emissions way before diesel engine emissions only because there are more gas engines running the road than diesel.
Personally I dunno why the heck the government is pressing on the diesel emissions since a diesel engine can use a home-made biodiesel fuel. Seems as if the government wants us all to own gas hogging 8 liter V8's... so they can get rich quick instead of the people getting creative and having their diesel factory in their kitchen for a lot less. You would think that the government would be helping out the people start on a new and innovative way to get from point a to point b.
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Thanks for the info guys...
The motor has to be the quitest and smoothest diesel I have ever heard....
Now, I tow a race car trailer all the time on the weekends so that is my major need for a nice truck. I plan to get a 48 Foot Goose Neck in the next year or two. Right now its just a 28 Ft Tag. I love the looks of the 450 with the 19.5 truck wheels and the beefy stance. It pulls the 28 ft like nothing is behind it.
Sticker price on the trucks isnt that much differance thats why I am leaning towards the 450...
Loaded 250 $50,xxx
Loaded 350 $54,xxx
Loaded 450 $57,xxx
I can get it at X-plan, hell a loaded 150 is $44,xxx now.
The ride it great and gas mileage is like 13-15mph so far. I have put close to 400 miles on it.
The motor has to be the quitest and smoothest diesel I have ever heard....
Now, I tow a race car trailer all the time on the weekends so that is my major need for a nice truck. I plan to get a 48 Foot Goose Neck in the next year or two. Right now its just a 28 Ft Tag. I love the looks of the 450 with the 19.5 truck wheels and the beefy stance. It pulls the 28 ft like nothing is behind it.
Sticker price on the trucks isnt that much differance thats why I am leaning towards the 450...
Loaded 250 $50,xxx
Loaded 350 $54,xxx
Loaded 450 $57,xxx
I can get it at X-plan, hell a loaded 150 is $44,xxx now.
The ride it great and gas mileage is like 13-15mph so far. I have put close to 400 miles on it.
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The ride it great and gas mileage is like 13-15mph so far
If your towing that much, then I say go for it. It is the guys who don't really need the F450 but think its just a cool commuter that make me laugh.
Ignore the post on the 6.4L debacle, one minor issue blown WAY out of proportion. Alot of hearsay on the Ford agreement with IH as well which will really won't affect you or me, its not like ford will stop servicing what they sell no matter what happens with IH.
Last edited by nvrenuff; 05-17-2007 at 09:38 AM.
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