Thanks for proving my point AGAIN with ANOTHER straw man!You once again took the issue, twisted it and then attacked the twisted issue! Thanks for showing us how libs, like yourself and Kerry work! Proof positive! You can never address the issue directly! CREATE AN ISSUE!

~Colby

 

Don’t matter who owns it as it has no bearing. If that were the case then no polls conducted today would have any relevance.

I put much more credibility into polls conducted anywhere other then the internet. The internet is just too easy to skew a poll, not to say polls conducted in any other manner are not skewed because they are to a point. It all depends on how the question is framed and who is actually taking the poll.

In any regards the poll conducted by the Military Times should be considered an accurate reflection of the military at large as they were the only ones to participate in the poll.

Yes a magazine, or more appropriately, a newspaper poll is scientifically accurate within particular margins of error. In this case it was the military personal themselves being polled and thus a very scientific and accurate poll.

I am not sure I understand your response about the military being right wing. Perhaps you mean many in the military consider themselves to be republican? I would agree with that because the vast majority of people in the military are of a background and principles commonly found in those who consider themselves republican.

That would be principles of personal responsibility, a sense of duty, and a responsibility to protect those who are too weak or unable to protect themselves, or in other words to help others. Those are classic characteristics of a republican, however not exclusive to someone that may consider themselves a republican.

I would note that rarely would you ever find a liberal serving in the military because their character, for the most part, does not include personal responsibility. They tend to believe more towards everyone else should do for them, or that the military is there to protect them. I am not saying no liberals would ever serve in the military but for the most part it is very rare…

The poll was scientific and a very accurate reflection on who they feel should be their Commander In Chief…

 

If you talk about my lesbo daughter... that will be an issue.

Actually, in these last few posts you are being your own straw man.

and you are still bull*****.

 

The Loutist.


**Edited for clarity.**

 

Well... for one thing, your poll was conducted on the internet, so I guess its not as bulletproof as you thought plus its over a month old, an eternity and also before the debates... very fair of you.
So it seems you have a self inflicted wound, that makes you a weak timid coward, by your definition. oh, I guess thats 2 now.
No, being in the military means that most anyone not right wing are in the closet, and many recruits who became right wing have been indoctrinated into hawkish mindsets.. (for survival don't ya know).

Try again desperado.
you can apply for 2 purple hearts for SIW's.
Oh... and bull*****, no straw here bub.
[cue scarecrow song from Wizard of OZ for strawman obcessed boy.]

[edit] looks like OW beat me to the Oz reference.
Nice shot of you bull*****.

 

Actually you started the issue by attacking other people and not the issue at hand. I was addressing it.

By the way, God bless America!

 

Well aren't you a good little white knight.

 

Actually my favorite color is black and I always wanted Darth Vader to win.

 

Interesting...
That said a lot about your view of your presidential candidate.

 

Of course! Bush came to me, and in his raspy voice, said "Luke, I am your father!" Only problem is my name isnt Luke.

 

Ahh, the ramblings of a lad with a head stuffed full of shrubbery.

The Straw Boy Theme.

"I would not be just a nuffin'
My head all full of stuffin'
My heart all full of pain.
I would dance and be merry
Life would be a ding-a-derry
If I only had a brain"

 

And the Scarecrow sings.


I'm glad to see you can take it with sense of humor. I didn't know you had one. Maybe you could do a duet with the Cowardly Lion...




He looks like he could use a friend just like you.

 

Hey, he's wearing flannel and a pair of vans, he can't be all bad.

Just put 'oil' instead of 'food' on that sign, then shub could sit in too.

BTW, thats shrubs (and all you stepford shrubbies) theme as well.

 

I must be crazy to get back into this cluster f*ck...but I was wondering if loudist would be willing to turn that ultra objective eye that he uses on "shrub" against John Kerry and tell us what he saw. Maybe if we are lucky we'll get to talk to the rational loudist too. I'm really just curious as to what those who obviously won't vote for Bush think about John Kerry. Maybe they see him as the lesser of the two evils, or maybe they would actually vote for anyone but Bush just to get him out of office. I understand that Bush has really polarized a lot of people but I can't grasp how anyone thinks John Kerry is anything short of pathetic. I don't think Bush deserves another term but I don't think that Kerry deserves one at all. Any takers on this one w/o getting into why they think Bush is bad (as though we need to rehash that anymore) that will tell us why John Kerry is such a great candidate?

Oh and by the way, drinking the Kerry kool aid and toeing the Dems party line is just as lame as the other way around, so thats not a very good answer.

 

I can't help thinking about Dirty Harry and the 'lucky' line... KIDDING!

Well we know what we are going to get with Bush, actually it will be worse because he will be a lame duck and Cheney doesn't have aspirations. There might be Jeb, but usually the republicans let a democrat do the fiscal responsability thing (ie:taxes and budget cutting) for a term or two before they go to the well again... they don't want to kill the golden goose, which would be us.

Kerry, as I have said before, represents one thing Bush once had but blew it.... Hope.
The possabilities with Bush are few and far between as he and his administration have ostricized the US from basically the rest of the world. We have lost honor. We have invaded a country with trumped up reasons. We have become the very thing we fought so hard against. We are becoming 'them'.
All in 4 years I might add.
In a region that Bush and his family and their busisness is firmly ensconced.
This is not opinion, this is not Michael Moore, this is factual.
Did you know the Bush familys fortune has been about arms for close to 80 years?
One must ask oneself who is being paid the billions this war is costing? It is mostly the military Industrial complex, which the Carlisle Group owns many of these companies through buyouts, leveraged buyouts, hostile takeovers. They have oil concerns too.
These are facts and can be easily verified if you care to look.
The Carlisle Group makes big bank when there is a war going on, especially a long drawn out affair.
All of this boils down to a huge conflict of interests, and unfortunately our interests as citizens of the USA are not at the top of their list.

Kerry is, at the very least, well versed of how diplomacy, politics, and alliances are accomplished.
It is true that he is unproven as a president, but he is much smarter and most importantly, has more brains, street smarts and experience when it comes to the world stage than Bush does.
That is an unfortunate proven fact by Bush's tenure thus far.
When I refer to Bush, I am almost always referring to his admin and influencers around him.
I would really like to know who Kerry would have around him in his admin and advisers as I believe they have a lot to do with policy here and abroad.
Our country is in a bad position right now. We aren't the manufacturing juggernaut we one were, and thats our fault for letting multinationals offshore so much.
We are becoming Britain, once THE world power, but let it all slip away behind inflating bottom lines and top heavy mismanagement.

Kerry is an unproven quantity,

I am troubled that Kerry is Skull and Bones as Bush is, as Bush senior is, as Prescott was, as many in the Bush cabinet and admin is.
I am suspicious of secret societies.
I have to say that my gut feeling is that Kerry has what it takes to get this country moving in the right direction again, rebuilding its industry, getting the tax base working again, having us making more 21st century dollars so we can mod the heck out of our trucks, and stimulate spending by us so businesses can expand.
We are the first domino in a healthy economy, and it takes more than a 600 dollar tax refund from the government to get it going.
When we feel we are making good coin, we tend to spend more.
When we are insecure about our job, our paycheck, our buying power (read: bang for buck) we spend less, much less.
I know all about the rhetoric put forth by most of the Bush supporters about Kerry, so save your fingertips, unless you have something new and hasn't been already said.