One must be careful when throwing out Hitler comparisons; especially when our president has been likened to Hitler, in his invasion of Iraq for what the world sees now as, no reason.

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Boom? What boom was that?
The only booms from 1980 - 1988 that I can remember are the booms that resulted in new military equipment. (Bombs) and the boom from when we bombed Libya.

Was there an economic boom in the 80's for America?
I don't remember it.....

There was certainly no boom from 1988 - 1992. (Not that I have anything against H, but he didn't do anything- he just towed teh line, until Iraq invaded Kuwaitt)

There has certainly been no boom from 2000 - 2004. (This was more like a free fall.) Except for the sounds of booms in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The only real boom was from 1996 - 2000 when the nation enjoyed extraordinarily high consumer confidence and extraordinarily low unemployment. That's a boom.

I loved President Reagan, but- if it took 16 years for his plans to come into effect, then there wasn't much of a plan. A lot of people died in 16 years (1980 - 1996), waiting on and working for good times, or at least a better day.

I don't believe Reagan had aything to do with the boom experienced while Clinton was in office.

 

Quote:

This ad got one fact wrong when it showed Bush taking the oath of office January 20, 2001 and said that in that month a challenge facing Bush was “an economy in recession.” It’s true that the long economic boom of the Clinton years had run out of steam before Bush took office and that the nation’s economic output was flat. It grew at a weak 2.1 percent in the last three months of 2000 and then fell two-tenths of one percent in the three-month period of January, February and March 2001, according to the US Bureau of Economic Analysis . But the economy didn’t actually enter recession until March of that year, according to the National Bureau of Economic Research, an association of academic economists whose Business Cycle Dating Committee is the generally accepted arbiter of when business booms and busts begin and end. So to be perfectly accurate the Bush ad should have said, “An economy nearing recession.”

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There was little comfort for Republican political hopes in the income and poverty figures released by the Census Bureau on September 26. They showed that 1.7 million more Americans fell into poverty in 2002, while income of the typical household declined by $500. And while tax cuts had clearly eased the pain some, for the typical household it was not enough -- even after-tax income declined by $310.

But that did not stop House Republicans on the Joint Economic Committee from putting out a news release claiming Census figures showed tax cuts had produced an after-tax income gain of $249. "This is the first increase in after-tax median income since 1999," said the committee's vice chairman, Republican Rep. Jim Saxton of New Jersey. Without the Bush tax cuts, Saxton said, "there is no doubt that middle income households would have suffered reductions in take-home pay in 2002."

Actually, middle income households did suffer reductions in take-home pay by every measure that the Census bureau published. It publishes 16 different measures of before- and after-tax income, some of which attempt to count such things as the value of Medicare or the paper profit from rising home values. All 16 went down in 2002, including definition 1b, the bureau's official measure of money income minus federal, state and local income taxes.

The Republican release was based on an obscure statistic not included in the official publication, "table RD-1", which Census calls "experimental." It is a less comprehensive measure than definition 1b, as it does not attempt to count income from capital gains or losses (actual profits or losses from sale of property such as real estate, stocks or bonds). Since 2002 was a poor year for the stock market, ignoring capital gains and losses gave a more favorable picture than did the official after-tax income measure.

Footnote: Before they dug up the RD-1 statistic, JEC Republicans issued a news release minimizing the decline in median household income and laying blame for it on the Clinton administration. It focused on Census definition 14, an after-tax measure which counts as income such non-money items as the value of school lunches and employer-sponsored health insurance. Even that measure went down $133, but the draft release quotes Saxton as saying this was "essentially unchanged, with the apparent decline falling within the margin of error."

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Its hard to face real facts, huh Nick?

Simple solution to outsourcing manufacturing jobs?
Import tariffs.
Simple solution to business taking advantage of workers?
Organize more unions and support unionization.
We have been (as workers) in the position of being taken advantage of before. Thats when unions were formed with rather violent opposition from big business.
When unions were in place and strong, then the worker had a fair wage with good benefits, the companies still made money, just not obsene money like they are now, and did back then.
Its checks and balances, right now we don't have the checks in place.
Reagen started union busting in his first term, and it had continued till Clinton was elected, slowed way down and had reversals on his watch. Then union busting picked up again under Bush.
Facts, ain't they a b!tch, Nick?

 

And the ***** were financed by... you guessed it, Grandpappy (Prescot) Bush!
Its in the blood, this world domination thing.

 

I hate when I see this bumper sticker. It is one of the most illogical, idiotic, ill thought out statements I have ever heard, and seriously, thats the only thing Kerry is running on. Its very sad.

Anybody but Bush. Right! Lets get Stalin right back in there! Or Saddam! He isnt too busy being a dictator of any others countries, so he can easily fill the job here! He would be SOOOO much better than Bush!

 

Kerry would actually represent any of the socialistic entities that have been despised throughout the ages quite well. Hitler was a facist and was not a communist. Kerry is.

 

That’s a brilliant idea, how about we build a nice big wall all around America and just keep everything here?

Import tariffs are the stupidest idea, its an idea from people with weak knowledge, from people with weak thought process and people that are just plain weak…

No, tariffs are not a solution but rather a band aid to make someone feel like they have done something. Tariffs do nothing but raise prices and cost MORE jobs. I see you are like Kerry and would like to speed up job lose. It is inevitable that manufacturing jobs will be going by the way side. It is part of growing and expanding it is a part of the world economy and rather you like that or not there is a world economy and those that don’t want to play will wither a way on the vine and die…

I agree with you to a point about unions. There are many good unions and a union is only good when they weed out the useless and lazy among them are there are indeed some useless and lazy people in unions.

Strong unions don’t put up with the useless and lazy because they know it makes them weak, holds them back and ultimately cost them money.

However there is a problem in America. There are those of us, which I would say all of us who want a high paying wage. The problem is many of us don’t want to spend that money to support the others who want a high paying wage.

We can not continue to be highly paid and shop at Wal-Mart, K-Mart, Home Depot and the other big warehouses. Something has to give and most likely it will be high paying jobs and/or unions.

I try to buy as much “Made in America” as I can and when I can actually tell. For example all the tools I buy are Craftsmen. There are many products you just can’t buy that are “Made in America” anymore because we Americans have told business to send those products overseas to be made…

Sad, but that is the FACT…

 

All right reactionaries, I'm well aware that John Kerry isn't Hitler and I'm also well aware of the difference between fascism and socialism and who is who. Anyway, I was using the Hitler situation as a historical example of a time when people thought that they couldn't do any worse than the government/ leaders that they had. They sure did in that case. The Russians thought that anyone was better than the Czar, they got Stalin (eventually). Is our mentality that extreme and are we that foolish, most likely not, but the “anybody but…” sentiment disturbs me. It seems to me almost like daring someone to be worse than the current leader/ government. Electing anyone just b/c they are not the current leader/ government seems like a blank check to be all sorts of bad, just as long as it is different than what they replaced. Will Kerry commit genocide and tear the western world apart? No, I don't believe he will. Will he screw this country up even more financially and make it harder on everyone and bungle the war on terror? Well, I personally feel that he has a good chance of it. Vote for Kerry if you feel he is right for the country and/ or deserves to be the POTUSA, that’s al well and good, but don't vote for him by default. I know this gets old, but it is possible to vote for neither Bush nor Kerry.

 

So if Bush were to do this wouldn't that make him weak to your power of 3 and clueless?

Read and weep:

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In the year 2000 President Bush raised tariffs on imported steel goods between 8 and 30 percent. The Mackinac Center for Public Policy cites a study which indicates that the tariff will reduce U.S. national income by between 0.5 to 1.4 billion dollars. The study estimates that less than 10,000 jobs in the steel industry will be saved by the measure at a cost of over $400,000 per job saved. For every job saved by this measure, 8 will be lost.

Keep 'em coming splort.

Have I told you lately how much I like ramming your own words down your neck?

 

In Sociology, we were taught that Jesus was the first to present what would be considered a socialist/communist ideology.

I know there are probably many atheists among you- (which amazes me for people that reside in a nation, one-nation created under God); but- if communism worked as it was planned it wouldn't be so bad. The problem is- it didn't work.

But, if everyone had access to great medical, housing, dental, etc.. Life would be great. If it worked optimally...

Where it fails is, you'll always have some greedy folks out there that skim off the top, and keep skimming until you again delve into the haves and the have nots. That's why it doesn't work...

In our Democratic (I like that word) Capitalist society it's survival of the fittest. There's the illusion that anyone can make it, mix in a few freedoms and that makes life here, better.... until you become a have not by luck or circumstance.

As long as you are a have, life is good. If you're a have-not; don't get in trouble, don't get sick, and for God's sake- don't lose your job.

I love America, and wouldn't want to live anywhere else; so don't go twisting what I said into anti-American sentiment, and making me out to be a communist. I am not, and I could do without J. Edgar Hoover planting cards at my house. :^)

All I'm saying is- if communism worked the way it was intended, there would be little/no suffering, and no one would think they're "better' than anyone else because of their wealth, financial status, job, heritage, etc...

There's no reason for anybody in America to be starving, homeless, or unclothed. No one in this country should die because they can't afford to go to the doctor.

If crack, ecstacy and drugs got you there- good for you, you deserve everything you get. But, if you ended up there for legitimate reasons, our government should be there to assist.

 

Keep dreaming son...

Yes I did know that Bush did that and I thought it was weak and stupid at the time as I do now.

I guess you and Bush have more in common then you thought, huh?

 

The reason communism never worked is NOT because some skimming off the top but rather it was a failed idea.

It was the stupidest idea anyone could have ever come up with. Sounds great to promise people access to great medical, dental, housing and anything else you wish to give. Problem is someone has to PAY FOR IT so EVERYONE has to work.

Where the problem begins is not with a few skimming off the top but rather the MANY lazy people who don’t want to pull their load. If others don’t have to pull their load then why should anyone and thus you have failure. If you work hard but get the same thing as some lazy basturd next to you then WHY work hard?

Why do you think welfare does not, in large part, work in America? Because you have lazy chit bags that like sucking off the system rather then contributing their FAIR SHARE.

Communism nor Socialism ever works, it has been proven time and time again it DON’T work, not because a few skimming off the top but because of SO MANY LAZY idiots who think, for some un-God known reason, that they “actually” deserve something for nothing…

 

Comedian And Chief.


Fresh Dubya
(The 15 most recent Dubya declarations)
The last two years, the American people have come to know me. They know my blunt way of speaking.
-- Dubya seems to think he took office in 2002... Daytona Beach, Florida, Oct. 16, 2004

My opponent seems to be willing to say almost anything he thinks will benefit him politically. After standing on the stage, after the debates, I made it very plain, we will not have an all-volunteer army. And yet, this week -- we will have an all-volunteer army. Let me restate that. We will not have a draft. ...And the best way to avoid a draft is to vote for me.
-- With "clarifications" like that, who needs an opponent? Daytona Beach, Florida, Oct. 16, 2004

One of the most amazing events of my life, at least as the presidency, was to go to the NASCAR Race here at the Daytona 500.
-- OK, two things: (1) Dubya is the president, not the presidency, and (2) How could going to a NASCAR race be the most amazing event of his life or of the last four years? Daytona Beach, Florida, Oct. 16, 2004

We need a safety net for those with the greatest needs. I believe in community health centers, where low and poor can get their preventative and care.
-- Dubya seems to be missing a few words here, Daytona Beach, Florida, Oct. 16, 2004

Uhh -- Gosh, I -- don't think I ever said I'm not worried about Osama bin Laden. It's kind of one of those, uhh, exaggerations.
-- To quote Dubya (3/13/2002): "I -- I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him." Third Presidential Debate, Tempe, Arizona, Oct. 13, 2004

BOB SCHIEFFER: Suddenly we find ourselves with a severe shortage of flu vaccine. How did that happen?
DUBYA: Uhhh -- Bob, we relied upon a company out of England to provide about half of the flu vaccines for the United States citizen, and it turned out that the vaccine they were producing was contaminated. And so we took the right action and didn't allow contamidated medicine into our country.
-- Yes, he actually said "contamidated", while taking credit for the UK government's intervention in preventing export of contaminated vaccine (and by the way, the "company out of England" is Chiron Corporation of Emeryville, California, which operates a vaccine production facility in England), Third Presidential Debate, Tempe, Arizona, Oct. 13, 2004

We have a problem with litigation in the United States of America. Vaccine manufacturers are worried about getting sued, and therefore they have backed off from providing this kind of vaccine. One of the reasons I'm such a strong believer in legal reform is so that people aren't afraid of producing a product that is necessary for the health of our citizens and then end up getting sued in a court of law.
-- On why America doesn't produce all of its flu vaccine domestically, and trying to blame it on medical litigation, Third Presidential Debate, Tempe, Arizona, Oct. 13, 2004

The last debate, my opponent said well they only -- those lawsuits only caused costs to go up by 1 percent. Well, he didn't -- he didn't in -- include the defensive practice of medicine, that costs the federal government some 28 billion dollars a year and costs our society between 60 and 100 billion dollars a year. Uhh, thirdly, one of the reasons why there's still high cost in, in medicine is because this is -- the, the, the, they don't use an information technology. It's like if you looked at the -- it's the equivalent of the -- of the buggy and horse days.
-- Dubya never explains the meaning of "defensive practice of medicine", but rewards the patient listener with the "buggy and horse" line, Third Presidential Debate, Tempe, Arizona, Oct. 13, 2004

I believe we ought to love our neighbor like we love ourself, as manifested in public policy through the faith-based initiative where we've unleashed the armies of compassion to help heal people who hurt.
-- Dubya comes out boldly for narcissism, and the stormtroopers of compassion, Third Presidential Debate, Tempe, Arizona, Oct. 13, 2004

In all due respect, I'm not so sure it's credible to quote leading news organizations about -- oh, never mind.
-- One of many attempts at humor in the Third Presidential Debate, Tempe, Arizona, Oct. 13, 2004

But the best way to protect our citizens from guns is to prosecute those who commit crimes with guns.
-- I'm trying to figure out how gun crime victims are protected by this solution, since you can't prosecute in advance of the crime, Third Presidential Debate, Tempe, Arizona, Oct. 13, 2004

You cannot solve a problem unless you diagnose the problem. And we weren't diagnosing problems. And therefore just kids were being shuffled through the school. And guess who would get shuffled through? Children whose parents wouldn't speak English as a first language just move through.
-- A display of sloppy diction that seems to make the point that some children have parents who refuse to speak English, Third Presidential Debate, Tempe, Arizona, Oct. 13, 2004

I believe part of a hopeful society is one in which somebody owns something.
-- For Dubya's sake, I wish that made sense, Third Presidential Debate, Tempe, Arizona, Oct. 13, 2004

[Laura is] out campaigning along with our girls. And she speaks English a lot better than I do.
-- She ain't the only one, Tempe, Arizona, Oct. 13, 2004

See, I have a different philosophy. I'm a compassionate conservative. I think government ought to help people realize their dreams, not tell them how to live their lives.
-- Except when it comes to family planning and who they can marry, right Dubya? Colorado Springs, Colorado, Oct. 12, 2004

TOP 10 AS SELECTED BY DUBYASPEAK VIEWERS

10. At this Thursday, ticket counters and airplanes will fly outta Ronald Reagan Airport.
9. Laura and I will thank them from the bottom of my heart.
8. When you have your own money, it means you've got more money to spend.
7. The benefits of helping somebody is beneficial.
6. We're in for a long struggle, and I think Texans understand that. And so do Americans.
5. Sometimes when I sleep at night I think of "Hop on Pop".
4. I promise you I will listen to what has been said here, even though I wasn't here.
3. And one of the things we've got to make sure that we do is anything.
2. We're making the right decisions to bring the solution to an end.
1. Border relations between Canada and Mexico have never been better.

TOP 10 AS SELECTED BY THE EDITOR (from the remainder of the collection)

10. I've been to war. I've raised twins. If I had a choice, I'd rather go to war.
9. I am mindful not only of preserving executive powers for myself, but for predecessors as well.
8. You teach a child to read and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test.
7. No, I know all the war rhetoric, but it's all aimed at achieving peace.
6. My mom often used to say, "The trouble with W" -- although she didn't put that to words.
5. In 1994, there were 67 schools in Texas that were rated "exemplorary" according to our own tests.
4. I know what I believe. I will continue to articulate what I believe and what I believe -- I believe what I believe is right.
3. Africa is a nation that suffers from incredible disease.
2. I understand small business growth. I was one.
1. Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream.



Better than Richard Pryor for laughs, but an embarrassment to the United States Of America. Get rid of the idiot. Plain and simple.

Edited to add more Dubya speak

 

Only capitalism has shrub and cronies skimming?

Shrubs credentials are what again?
silverspooned war coward failed businessman many times over, bailed out by saudi oil money stealing teaxan governorship stealing presidency. Every turn there is oil money influence.

Yes, you took the red herring quite nicely.

More to come spurt.

 

More to come of what? Bush’s mistakes? Don’t bother I know there are mistakes he made, or at least in my opinion made, nobody has said in any post the Bush is perfect or that everything he has done is great or the best.

To name one, his HUGE socialist spending program on prescription drugs was a HUGE mistake in my opinion. There were “some” elderly that needed assistance with prescription drugs, no problem, but they all don’t need assistance on prescription drugs.

There should be a limit at which anyone is entitled to something free and/or cheap from the government. If they make above a particular amount of income they should not be “entitled” to ANY money or programs and that includes social security checks as well.

For example, if someone has a net worth that gives them $100k a year they, in my opinion, should not be entitled to any funds from the government, including social security checks, regardless if they paid into the system.

It should be for those who have busted their *** but for what ever reason don’t have a big or huge nest egg to rely on.

Budgets and Bush never vetoing, HUGE mistake, too much money spent on stupid pork barrel programs from both sides of the isle…

There are things I don’t agree with Bush on and it is not any secret however, when weighing all the options, with the security of this country being the utmost importance in my mind, there is only one choice at this time, in this election and that is Bush…

To bad McCaign (sp?) wasn’t running again because he would have got my vote AGAIN…

 

Finally... a sensible sentance.

The rest, well, it safe to say you didn't share your toys as a child.