I'll hit on a few things here starting with the CINC. He is not my CINC. He is the military's CINC.

Since election day gas prices have risen 20 cents a gallon.

If you wanna show how the deficit has changed don't go back a year ago. What is our debt now compared to when GW took office?

A word about unemployment rates. When someones unemployment benefits run out they are no longer considered unemployed even though they are.

Now would I rather see the Democrats give money to the needy in this country or spend that money in Iraq and line the pockets of Haliburton? How much did the Bush administration blow in New Orleans?

I don't believe for a minute that the planned hijackings in England several months back would have taken place without the help of GW. He and his other 2 stooges have created world hate for America. In a recent poll of foreign country's the hate against the US ran from 80 to 90% of those polled.

Now either the whole world is wrong or we are wrong.

The streets of Baghdad and other cities are the most unsafe streets that country has ever seen and are the most unsafe streets in the world.

We have no business determining what's the best form of government in other countries. This was tried 65 years ago.

GW's father doesn't like the way his son is handling things. I guess his father is turning cut and run or a Democrat at heart.

The courts are letting corporations get out of paying pensions to the retired. Republicans and especially Bush are anti labor. Bush thinks the minimum wage is too high.

And from his education to his jobs, GW has ridden the coat tails of his father. He wouldn't have been able to make it on his own.

 

And this is where you show your ignorance. Tomorrow (December 16) is the 62nd anniversary of the Battle of the Bulge. Ever hear of it? In the approximately 30 days that single battle lasted, over 90,000 Americans gave their life in the fight against the enemy; over 130,000 Germans are estimated to have been killed in that same period.

Put that in perspective. We were attacked, within our borders, and how many people were killed? While any life given in the battle for your freedom is one life too many, you obviously don't have enough knowledge or respect for that sacrifice to deserve the bounty of being a citizen of this country.

 

Thats your right, it's called the first amendment. But since you are apperently in the service, your opinion is rather biased (you could face criminal charges for speaking out against the C.I.C.)[I believe thats in the U.C.M.J. but I'm not sure, it's been a long time since I was in]
I'm just tired of people thinking that he is the greatest thing since sliced bread to ever get elected, well newsflash people he's NOT.

That was a different time and a different war and there was a real enemy and a real cause, unlike now we are just there to make that idiotic texan richer than he already is.IRAQ had absolutly nothing to do with 9-11

 

Well, I think it's time we let this thread die, or at least tone it down a notch or two before someone says something that gets them in trouble with the mods.

 

did you all know bush has a f150 i think it is a super crew maybe he will be on here. would you all rather have John Kerry the man that said you need to get a education or you will end up in iraq

 

i really don't appreciate you calling the war in iraq not a real war with out a real cause. i lost 2 good friends over there, and in total, my battalion lost 14 men. and they did NOT die for a lost cause, or whatever you want to call the war in iraq. they died brave in the face of the enemy. we were at camp habbaniyah, smack dab inbetween ramadi and fallujah, in the heart of the sunni triangle. our camp was along the most IED'd highway in the entire theatre. and our 14 guys didn't die for a bullsh*t reason. because all the politics, dimplomats, all that crap goes out the window when that first round goes off. it's just about you and the guy next to you. nothing else, it's about survival. it's about the guy in the man-dress with an AK and us in our 70lbs of gear and ammo. it's nothing to do with oil, bush, haliburton or some stupid protestor. it IS a combat zone, and it is war. bottom line. unless you been to iraq, and seen what it's really like, i don't think a lot of the american public has the right, or knowledge, to properly say ANYTHING about this conflict. i personally feel, as a 22 yr old combat veteran, that a lot of american's ought to butt out, and let us, the soldiers, marines, sailors and airmen, that volunteered to serve our country, and that are sent to iraq, do OUR jobs without some big nosed american sitting on his couch bitch about something that the media does NOT properly cover. something that that media twists into some mutant freak purely for political gain. ANY news agency. do you know how sickening it is as an infantry soldier to be eating chow in a 130 degree stinking *** chow hall, to be watching the news and see people trying to belittle and every thing else what we are sitting in the middle of iraq trying to do? or say that we're doing something totally different then what is really going on? you all don't really know. believe me. you all really don't know what is really going on in iraq, and what the struggle is all about. it's just what the media wants you to know. they'd be damned to show a fair and unbiased story, and actually EDUCATE the american public about what is REALLY going on in iraq. instead they just show some stupid iraqi that caught frag from a car bomb and are all ground beef. they never show all the kids trying to get candy off us, tugging on your gear and such. do they? or the people that are grateful for our medical care that so many families in our battle space received from our medics. do they? or the shoes, backpacks, coloring books and other school supplies that we gave to some of the local schools. do they?

and the media focuses on the negativety too much. they'd rather show a blown up humvee, instead of a picture and tribute to the soldier or marine that was the casualty in that vehicle. do they?

RIP
SSG Ryan Ostrom, SGT Brian Dunbar, SPC Timothy Brown, Gny Sgt Darrell Boatman, SSG Michael Parrott, SGT Joshua Terando, SPC John Dearing, SGT Spencer Akers, SPC Dane Carver, SGT Joshua Youmans, SSG Brock Beery, SSG Randy McCaulley, SPC Mark Melcher, SGT Matthew Webber.

 

remember this: ON THE FIRST DAY of battle at iwo jima, the marines lost over 2,400 marines. In the little over one month it took to capture the island the marines lost 6,891. thats little over ONE month.

More people died during the Battle of Okinawa (American and Japanese)than all those killed during the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Casualties totaled more than 38,000 Americans wounded and 12,000 killed or missing



45,000 Allied and 200,000 Germans were killed during the D-Day invasion.

 

Actually they did find "WMD" in Iraq. They were however old and degraded to the point that they were not as lethal as they were. They still found the biological and chemical weapons that he used in the past in their diminished state. But the media didn't cover it very well since they were not the conclusive proof that they were pursuing WMD. However the weapons they did find still are classified as such and are a violation of the UN resolution that was placed in effect against them. GW was at least honest enough to say these were not the weapons we thought they had and the story was pretty much dropped. If I remember correctly some of these weapons were exported to Syria. Do a google search for it and you'll see some articles about it.

 

Ben.....are you sure you're only 22? You're very well educated. I stay out of political threads, but you seem very educated on this subject for your age.

And I'm NOT picking sides either way on this one.....just .

 

I love blue too.

But I love how everyone knows everything when it comes to politics even more!

 

If being wrong and lying were the same thing, then you'd be the biggest liar to post in this thread, so far.

 

Man, if the founding fathers of this country could see us now.

 

I'm not getting involved with this thread anymore after this post since it really won't make a difference anyway...

1. It was a lunatic left wing governor, Kathleen Blanco & a idiot racist Mayor, Ray Nagin that are responsible for New Orleans, not the Fed Gov. It's been proven many times over that the Fed's gave LA money for the levee's BEFORE Katrina & further proven that they didn't use it for said levee's. This is exactly why I HATE liberals, they NEVER, EVER take responsibility or blame for their own actions, "It's the rich people in America who are at fault." Blah, Blah, yadda, yadda... It's nauseating. Spending $1 on New Orleans is a retarded waste of time. The city is 9 feet BELOW sea level. This will happen again. Hopefully there will be a governor & mayor who don't have thier heads up thier asses to fix things when it does.

2. Do you actually, sincerely believe the POTUS was plotting to blow up aircraft over US cities? Do you really believe the US Gov set up & carried out 9/11? If you do, please quit your job at the earliest convienence becuase I don't want a criminally insane person controlling air traffic in the USA. All kidding aside, you can't really believe these things can you? You can be left wing all you want but do you really believe this stuff? If you do, why are you still living in this country if your government is trying to kill you? That's another thing I don't get about the ultra-left wingers. If the US & the Gov are so bad, why don't you leave & go live somewhere where everything is illegal and the Gov watches your every waking move? You can move somewhere where the tax rate is like 45% and every person is entitled to welfare & heathcare and see why their populations are declining.

I've said it before & I'll say it again, I'm no fan of GWB. In the last election, it really was a choice of the lesser of two evils. Kerry is so much a lying idiot that I could not fathom him as the POTUS. He lied about his military service, lied about the medals he received, disrespected EVERY SINGLE ONE of his fellow service members during his testimony to Congress in the 70's, etc... The man is worse than Clinton in the integrity department. I would have no problem voting for a Dem/Liberal as long as they are grounded in the values the country wants, not what the ultra left wants. Look at Barak Obama. He's a well spoken, likeable guy who does not cause conservatives to run screaming into the night. Someone like that needs to get the nod from the Dem's. Unfortunately, I think he would loose big time because I don't think the voting public will elect a guy named Obama. Sad but true. I also think the GOP are a guaranteed winner in 2008. Why? If the Dem's give Hillary the nod, you can guarantee that people who have never voted before will camp out in front of the polling stations just so she doesn't get elected.

KC-10 FE out...

 

1. I don't care what the Gov or Mayor did. I do care about how the Bush Administration blew millions of dollars with no oversight where the money was going. That is financial irresponsibilty on our Administration's part.

2. I never said GW plotted to blow up aircraft. Don't be ridiculous. My point is that he and his 2 goons have created so much world hate for us that more evil and and maybe not so evil people want to take active roles in plots against us. Do you think the war in Iraq is eliminating or even reducing terrorism? No way in hell.

As for John Kerry he knows what it's like to be shot at in a war zone. Bush and Cheney do not. The world will be a better place without them.

 

Same goes for lots of people I can think of.