Is that why the $3,500 profit goes back to Japan?

I don't care where they build it..it's propaganda to try and claim it is "American" too.

I just love how all these anti-American Toyota lovers have always talked crap about American cars saying they build quality is so poor and they make better cars in Japan, but the second they start making Toyotas in America build quality from American labor is no longer an issue?

haha, make up your minds. It's not like Toyota hires "better Americans" than Ford or GM do.

All you Toyota lovers sit here and tell ANYONE on the forums who claims pride in their Fords that they have blind loyalty, and yet ANY time anyone points out any truth about a flaw in a toyota it is all a lie and Toyota is perfect and you all refuse to admit anything wrong with them.

Whatever, buy whatever you want. I'll keep driving my Ford and loving it more and more everyday regardless of what you decide to do with your money. No lost sleep here!

 

Bud, I agree with you time and time again on this issue. It's hilarious how people's logic create a bubble around their thoughts. I just can't decide if I want people to buy the Tundra or not. I mean I know I'll be able to have a nicer truck if they do buy them. But on the other hand, I'll have to look at those ugly trucks all day long & want to gouge out my eye *****!

 

I'm missing my left eye right now!

 

Haha, very good points! they sure are ugly to look at...

You know, for a while I was feeling worried that the new Tundra might be a serious problem for Ford, but honestly, the more I think about, the less it worries me.

Everyone on these forums points out nothing but numbers since it is a texted based forum (obviously). But, in reality the average consumer is clueless when it comes to engine numbers etc, and they aren't going to buy their trucks based on who has the most horsepower or not. Ford has THE BEST SELLING TRUCK/VEHICLE in America for what, 30 years and running? It's not going to change just because Toyota crammed some huge engine in their new Tundra. I wouldn't doubt the new Tundra outsells the old model, but it will still be leaps and bounds BEHIND Ford's F150, just like it is now.

Toyota sold only 124,508 Tundras in 2006. Ford sold 796,039 F-150s. That's almost 6 and half times as many trucks.

You think a 6 speed tranny and a big engine is enough to even come close to closing THAT gap? the average consumer won't even know, let alone care. So all you Toyota lovers can keep talking smack and doing your part to hurt America's economy, I'll keep loving my Ford and doing my part to help the AMERICAN economy.

 

Just wondering...what % of F150 sales are for fleet and government vehicles? I am sure 99.9% of the Tundras are sold to the general public...maybe half the Fords are (probably a little more). But at any rate the real "general population" purchases are closer than your numbers let on...while still greatly waited toward Ford. So lets say a modest 25% increase in sales of the new Tundra over the old will get it in the area of 175,000 sold....maybe a 1/3 of the number of F150s sold to the same market segment? Who would have thought 10 years ago Toyota would have that kind of market share in this segment????

Dont get me wrong...I will never own a Jap. based vehicle....but you can certainly spin your own numbers in a direction that Ford most likely isn't thrilled about.

 

Despite this, Toyota is set to take the #1 spot from GM as the worlds largest automaker.

 

what the hell does that have to do with what Thump said? I'll answer my own question for you- NOTHING.

As for the post about what % of the sales are to fleet vs the general public- who cares? Does it matter what demographic writes the check when you cash it? Pretty sure the bank doesn't care one bit...

And, to play your game, even if you did factor "government" sales into the F150 sales, I don't think it would have much of an affect at all. Fleet sales should absolutely count as general public sales as that is a decision made by mostly small business owners who are individuals making a decision as to how they want to spend their money in order to best serve their own good (ie their company's well being), where as government sales *may* depending on the beauocracy be more of a pure numbers game (ie they can get an F150 cheaper than a Tundra).

Either way, I don't really see why it matters. In fact, considering fleet vehicles typically see more usage, and take more abuse than normal vehicles I would say it speaks volumes for Ford that companies choose them for their fleet vehicles. It shows that trust the quality and reliability of Ford and believe it is the best financial decision, all things considered for their company.

And while on THAT topic (not the original topic), it also speaks HUGE volumes that the Crown Victoria is almost exclusively the vehicle of choice for law enforcement AND taxi cabs nationwide. That simply would NOT be the case if Ford did make a fantastically well-rounded, and highly reliable and inexpensive to maintain vehicle. Period.

If the Toyota cars are such great and reliable cars, why wouldn't taxi companies use them?

It's not like the Crown Vic is cheap, it's fairly expensive and it's also quite dated. Talk about a tried and true testament to Ford

 

Well i never recieved anything in the mail, i have heard it from them directly.

I am renovating a Toyota dealership right now, and was around when the first new ones came out. The salesmen knew i factory ordered a new Harley F150, but told me to check out the Tundra, so i did. I like some parts of the Tundra, but overall i still prefer the looks of my old 2004 and my new 2007 F150's.

I also agree GM did a very good job on their new Avalanche trucks, but not enough to make me pay more for it than what i paid for my new truck!

The good thing from this stiff competition is that Ford will have to keep building better F150's for us in the future.

 

if ford will just give me the new, bigger engine and 6 speed auto, then i can die a happy man. is it 08/09 yet?

 

Can't seem to find truck sales for each year by manufacturer so maybe someone can help me out. Ford claims to have the #1 selling pickup for 30 straight years and that is true, i just dont know where to find the numbers. But if you add Chevy and GMC, together b/c afterall, they are pretty much the same truck w/ a different grill, does it total over 800,000 sold last year? So if GM drops their GMC line of light-duty PU's, and the loyal customers are forced to switch to Chevy, would Ford still be the #1 selling truck in a couple years?

Before anyone jumps the gun, i'm a loyal Ford owner, and love my '04 FX4. Will be trading in in a few years for their half-ton diesel. Which reminds me, I heard that the 4.4liter Land Rover diesel may be in store.

 

Production and sales figures are available thru Automotive News, which has not started to list the new Tundra from the old one. I would expect to see that in the next month or so. Access to this stuff is only thru a subscription.

 

how can i sign up to get these offers?

 

The Crown Vic is exclusively the choice of law enforcment because its the ONLY full size v8 powered 4 door left on the market. PERIOD.

 

At midnight, pledge your soul to the "Dark Lord" , seal it with a drop of your blood. In a couple of days, your contract will come in the mail! Someone must have done this for me, but I'm not going to validate the contract, so I'm going to keep my soul!

 

Wrong. Why would they HAVE to have 8 cylinders? Especially given the fact that you could likely get better mileage from a v6 and still have enough power to do what cops need to do? It's not like the 4.6 is a HP/TQ powerhouse, it isn't. It's simply a great engine.

I'm sure there are now vehicles with VERY comparable power from newer V6 engines that would also "work," but due to the fact that the 4.6 V8 is, and has been rated one of the most reliable and BEST engines on the planet for YEARS they continue to use that.