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Old 09-05-2008 | 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Wookie
Obama keeps preaching "change" but has yet to say what he is going to change and how.

You guys keep saying this, but it's nothing but propaganda. McCain is selling change too, and doesn't have any more or less ideas or plans. If you haven't seen or heard what Obama has planned, then you must be purposely ignoring it because it's right there for you to read.

This rhetoric of "He says change but doesn't say how" is so lame. Let's get real, it's an election year, both sides are preaching change, issues are abortion, the economy, security etc, etc. Every four years, same promises, same issues. It's the same thing every four years and the end result is more of the same.
 
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Old 09-05-2008 | 10:16 AM
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Excellent point Wookie, glad you brought it up. There is a problem though, fundies are conservatives. You want to separate them from what you consider true conservative values (and both good values, I'll be glad when Republicans get back to them) but the right never wants to separate leftist values. I've heard Obama called a Commie in this forum several times, he is liberal, but hardly a communist. Not every liberal is a commie, socialist or tree hugger, in fact there are a lot more fundie conservatives than commie liberals in this country, and the fundies are loud. Fundies are a large, vocal part of the conservative movement like it or not.
Have you read the Comunist Manafesto? A lot of his beliefs are very similar to early communism. When you have policies that incorporate wealth redistribution" you can't deny that is a communist agenda.
 
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Old 09-05-2008 | 11:05 AM
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Have you read the Comunist Manafesto? A lot of his beliefs are very similar to early communism. When you have policies that incorporate wealth redistribution" you can't deny that is a communist agenda.
No, I haven't. Please, any idiot can make comparisons to anything, shall I take both Obama and McCain policies and align them with Hitler? Having a similar policy doesn't make one a member of anything.
 
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Old 09-05-2008 | 11:08 AM
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I think that calling his own party out for failing the American people and giving in to corruption in the acceptance speech is a a step in the right direction.
Agreed. But more responsibility should be taken and admitted to. Bush is running the country. Obama is running for President. - Og
 
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Old 09-05-2008 | 11:09 AM
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No, I haven't. Please, any idiot can make comparisons to anything, shall I take both Obama and McCain policies and align them with Hitler? Having a similar policy doesn't make one a member of anything.
If it looks like a turd... smells like a turd... and it came from a butthole... it's hard not to call it a TURD!

Sure he is not a Communist, but some of his plans are Communistlike. He much closer to a Socialist.
 
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Old 09-05-2008 | 11:13 AM
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Agreed. But more responsibility should be taken and admitted to. Bush is running the country. Obama is running for President. - Og
Not really sure what you are saying with this one. What I heard him say was that Bush and all of Congress was guilty, both Dems and Reps. I heard him critisizing Bush quite a lot, but just tactfully expressed.
 
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Old 09-05-2008 | 11:39 AM
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Let's take a small look at the link posted:
He says corporate lobbyist won't be effective. Now that's the kinda thinking we need. Why would anybody want the great might of the American industry to have any effect on our doing business. Surely BObama is smarter than all of the CEOs in this country combined. The arrogance is astounding!

He says that everybody will have health coverage. You'd have to be either totally stupid or blind not to know the money to fund this isn't coming off of the money tree. Take the health care in Sweden, it's Gov't controlled. I have a friend that is a surgeon there so I can speak with a little knowledge. He only works from January to April as a doctor- that's all the money he can make as a doctor so he has a bed and breakfast the remainder of the year. So what about the patients- you get to wait in line until it's your turn. Can't wait- make the funeral arrangements.

He wants to take the tax breaks away from companies that take jobs away from America. So I guess this guy thinks corporate America isn't too smart. Take away the tax breaks and watch prices go up. The corporations aren't going to settle for less, they have investors to answer to.

Social Security is in troubled waters already because of the Democrats. L Johnson and his Great Society has pretty much given away all of the moneys that the now older generation forcibly invested in SS. It's called entitlements. BObama, if you want to stabilize SS, get rid of the entitlements.....but that would cost you votes from your own people, now wouldn't it.

Education. What does BObama know about education? We've thrown countless billions of dollars at it yet we're losing ground to other nations. This BS of no child left behind and other programs are killing us. Let the teachers teach and if the kids have issues, it's the parents problem, not the school district. Not every kid is going to be the next head of AT&T. Those kids will be called electricians, plumbers, line workers, or hungry. America is all about opportunity and it's open to all. If the kids make it to upper management it needs to be because they worked for it, not because it was given to them.

Climate change and renewable fuels. I can only assume he has been to the Al Gore school of everything must remain the same. Our earth is under going natural changes. The arctic at one time was a forrest folks. The earth is just going back to what it once was before the ice age. How about we accept that fact. He also says he will cut imports of oil by 35%. Just where does he think the power is going to come from- the air? Wind generators are being installed at the rate of 2 per day in Texas. While a valiant effort, not everybody is going to want to see these things in their back yard and they are a patch, not a solution. Ethanol is and has been a joke, so what's the "new" power source BObama? What do you know that the rest of the world apparently is oblivious to?

He wants to support the farmer. Great rhetoric but what does he know about farming? Has he ever plowed a field? Has he ever thrown hay, fed animals, has he ever driven a tractor or set up an irrigation system? Has he ever had a garden at home? What is he going to do for the American farmer when he has no clue what they deal with everyday? He wants the American farmer to provide more fuel for America. Has this guy been listening at all? Ethanol requires more energy to make than it produces. Hello stupid! You can't use more to get less and come out ahead. Then he wants to regulate the feeding of animals and have the farmers and ranchers control the animal waste products- the crap. Now that's what I endear to see, a cow with a diaper. The farmer/ranchers are already strapped, they don't need more stupid Gov't regulations. How about a new concept? Let's let the farmers sell their products to the highest bidder? Right now, they can't sell to any foreign nations because the Gov't says that food costs will go up in America. How about the fact that the farmer would be able to make a living and farms would again become a renewable money generator for this nation. How about the good ol' USA becoming the bread basket of the world? It would create new industries, new jobs, new technologies, and then WE would be in the drivers seat again and oil prices wouldn't be an issue. The more money that comes in, the better life all of us would have as the dollars you have/make will buy more. Just like we are paying thru the nose for oil, yet the Arab countries are paying penneys for gas, we can do the same thing with crops/food.
 
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Old 09-05-2008 | 11:42 AM
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Not really sure what you are saying with this one. What I heard him say was that Bush and all of Congress was guilty, both Dems and Reps. I heard him critisizing Bush quite a lot, but just tactfully expressed.
Just saying that if McCain is pushing "change", they (McCain camp) should put more untactful emphasis on stating that "we are moving away from the Bush/Cheney policies", instead of stupidly stating that community service is some type of dumb career choice. Ask a community organizer how they feel about that. They probably will tell McCain/Palin where they can put their "change". - Og
 
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Old 09-05-2008 | 11:47 AM
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Preaching to the choir brother. He has done well talking Change, but saying nothing about how he plans of affecting Change. He's hypnotized the Dems with his "presence" and honestly thinks noone will be the wiser.
 
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Old 09-05-2008 | 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by OgRedd
Just saying that if McCain is pushing "change", they (McCain camp) should put more untactful emphasis on stating that "we are moving away from the Bush/Cheney policies", instead of stupidly stating that community service is some type of dumb career choice. Ask a community organizer how they feel about that. They probably will tell McCain/Palin where they can put their "change". - Og
That's interesting, because I definitely heard him chastise the Republican party and the present administration. At least as much as would be reasonable in an acceptance speech. That was not the stage for specifics, but I thought he made it plain that he did not agree with what the last 8 years had achieved and he was going to do something different. The news this morning is saying that he is distancing himself from the Rep leaders. Are you sure you are listening with an open mind?
 
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Old 09-05-2008 | 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by OgRedd
Just saying that if McCain is pushing "change", they (McCain camp) should put more untactful emphasis on stating that "we are moving away from the Bush/Cheney policies", instead of stupidly stating that community service is some type of dumb career choice. Ask a community organizer how they feel about that. They probably will tell McCain/Palin where they can put their "change". - Og
Niether McCain or Palin said a community organizer is a stupid job. They said they didn't know what Obama did as a community organizer. They were stating that being a Community Organizer IN NO WAY PREPARES YOU TO BE PRESIDENT. He is touting his experience as a CO, but never really says what he accomplished while doing so. He worked with steel workers who lost their jobs.

GREAT, what was the result. Did he help them with training to get a different job or find them work at another factory? We don't know bc Obama never says what his experience is. Not a stretch to assume there is no experience or relevance.

Point being... A community organizer has a place and may well do great for a community, but it doesn't equate as experience for the Presidency.
 
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Old 09-05-2008 | 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by bluejay432000
That's interesting, because I definitely heard him chastise the Republican party and the present administration. At least as much as would be reasonable in an acceptance speech. That was not the stage for specifics, but I thought he made it plain that he did not agree with what the last 8 years had achieved and he was going to do something different. The news this morning is saying that he is distancing himself from the Rep leaders. Are you sure you are listening with an open mind?

I guess that they should be more proactive when they compare their policies to the present administration's. If they know the "McSame" mantra is sinking in, just seems like the McCain camp would be more vocal against Bush. Then on the other hand, not having Bush/Cheney at the convention, may work for/against them? Huh? - Og
 
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Old 09-05-2008 | 11:58 AM
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Let's take a small look at the link posted:
America is all about opportunity and it's open to all.
If the kids make it to upper management it needs to be because they worked for it, not because it was given to them.
So now McCain is going to end Nepotism?
 
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Old 09-05-2008 | 12:02 PM
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Niether McCain or Palin said a community organizer is a stupid job. They said they didn't know what Obama did as a community organizer. They were stating that being a Community Organizer IN NO WAY PREPARES YOU TO BE PRESIDENT.
I hope they clear that up. From what I hear, there is a s#!t load of community organizers that are highly pissed. Clean it up, John.

By the way, whoever taught you how to spell should kick you in the nuts. - Og
 
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Old 09-05-2008 | 12:06 PM
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Executive experience means she experience RUNNING a govt. She has experience balancing budgets and running a surplus in Alaska...... Anyone who can run the state, keep it with a surplus, and have an 80+% approval rating has done something right!!
You need to understand why there is a surplus and subsequent 80% approval rating. Pretty simple...whack the oil companies and handout $$ to the voters...... want to take a wild guess who's paying for this?????

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1220...googlenews_wsj
 


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