Thanks, I was looking for that.

 

Yep the workers built the vehicles and performed...the executives failed and ran the company in the dirt for us to bail out with our money.
Workers get screwed 2 times paying for bailout and giving up benefits.
Execs just get paid for failing?
It would probably be worse if you compared board and CEO pay but the fact still remains that US Automakers are bleeding money and asking for handouts same time they cut workers pay and benefits and keep paying CEO and board same as they fail.
Just like the banks and stock markets did.

 

Money... Why would those that are head of the unions want to antiquate themselves?

Union heads do not want to lose their jobs. Just because they are not needed does not mean they are going to give up their jobs. Its a little self serving...

 

People are afraid of change and enough time has not passed. The baby boomers are holding onto the unions but as is CLEARLY shown in the declining membership of union members they are not needed and are circling the drain.

Many people hold on to old outdated ways of doing things because they are afraid of change.

 

How does that not make sense??. Obama supports the Unions becasue Obama was supported by the Teamsters and the UAW..

 

Whats funny, is how politics make strange bed-fellows.

For instance: Stealth=Conservative/McCain supporter, Momalle=Liberal/Obama leg humper

WTF? Both agree, and love the unions.

 

Well we can guess, but until Toyota post the numbers we will never know.

That said I have no problem kicking the UAW and the overpaid CEO's to the curb. I say fire everyone and offer them all the same jobs back for the true market value of the actual job. If you dont want it plenty more are lined up with the current state of the economy who would love steady work.

 

Right now workers don't want unions because most are satisfied.
Japanese 3 automakers did their homework and built where jobs and unions didn't exist.

Maybe big 3 should have LED years ago rather than follow now.

 

 

Why do numbers really matter that much? Toyota aint asking for the government titty to suck on.

 

You would be hard pressed to find members here who would not agree that the American 3 dropped the ball big time from the 70'5 to early 90's killing most of it's customer base.

The issue is now they have made changes, make quality cars that get decent mileage but the damage is done. America was taken for suckers and they are pissed, rightfully so. Point is these are American icons that bring a ****load of cash and jobs into America. Time to stop holding a grudge and time to support America and the American worker.

 

So why are they still needed? Because workers are still victims of companies' crooked policies, even though the "laws" have changed.

A little example.

This happened at my work. An employee, union represented, received an email. He opened it and read, deemed it unnecessary, email was deleted. The employee was fired since the email contained questionable content, which is why it was deleted.

All the employee did was open an email and delete it. Was his firing just? No. He was fired unjustly. Lost all his company pension, his job, retirement benefits, seniority, everything. Over what? An email that he deleted.

Now a non union worker would be on the streets without a case. The union is there to protect it's members from bad company policy. The employee grieved the company decision and the union won the arbitration case, as well as 4 other employees who got fired for the same non reason. All got back pay and retained all lost benefits and seniority.

So go ahead and keep telling me the laws have changed. The more they change the more they stay the same.

 

But you can't do one and not the other, either honor all the contracts or declare bankrupcy and not honor any of them. You can't say with a straight face that the execs ran these companies into the ground on purpose. So therefore there has to be a reason, perhaps it is the union that forces all these companies to pay these emloyees what they do. Toyota is not succeeding becasue they have such a superior product. All the big three are making cars that are just as fuel efficeint (sometimes more), and that are just as reliable. Even better, like the F-150 vs. the Tundra. It is becasue they pay their empoyess (not just their workers) less than American manufacturers.

Now I get it, big three execs are getting paid astonomically, but so are the workers. You can't pay the workers 150K a year and the CEOs 300K. A CEOs job has ten times the responsibility, if not more, they should get paid a hellva lot more.

 

It was my understanding since Toyota is about the only profitable auto company we were using them as the preferred business model. In doing so we were comparing the differences in pay and benefits between them and the big 3 hoping to pinpoint the problem.

Did I miss something?

 

Please cease from putting words in my mouth.

I like my union, I know nothing about any other union. My union is not perfect, nor is the company which I work for, but I can say this we both work together to build a top quality product, the best military aircraft in the world.