The police are going to have to really pick up their education then as I am sure the average beat cop has an accounting degree and can figure out that someone cooked the books.
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If a poor family has a child with cancer, then go to a charity clinic, ST. Jude, get funding from a church, ect.... DO NOT FORCE anyone's money from their pocket when they haven't done anything to you. It is stealing and stealing with force (even through the government) is violence.[/QUOTE]
I know of St. Jude and they do wonderful things but they are just one hospital and can only do so much. I am sure the local preacher can just hand over a couple hundred grand for every child in the community that has an illness. Its not logical.
At least come up with something like orphanages for the poor. That would be callous but at least more sensible.
What if you are in your living room and have chest pains...do you just sit there and say...well I can't go until next week when I get paid or do you call an ambulance.
That is like people that state you should shop around more for medical care...it isn't like getting a lift kit on your truck. Emergencies happen and right now we are at the mercy of providers to not rip us off and they are at the mercy of us to pay them. Bad system![/QUOTE]



The company can catch the safety defect and improve it. It would most likely bring in buyers, but no one should force them to... No one is forcing anyone to buy a car.

There are different sectors of the police force. Some are for cleaning crime off the street, some are accountants, some are military police, some take care of prisons, some are intelligence, ect ect.

So instead of people trying to do what they can for others out of charity, you would rather go take people's money from them and say, "It is for the greater good, and I know how to handle your money better than you can" ???

There are many clinics that run on charity donations and will treat for free. My dad built one back in the early 90's. They are very efficient and the people that work their are great. Also, if you had to go to the ER for something serious and sudden, you can work out a deal to pay them back over time. I have even done that...

The thing that I am trying to get across to you is that:

It is immoral to force anyone to do anything. I am totally against the use of force and anyone that does so is a criminal. Showing support for a government that taxes, spends, regulates, and taxes more again is immoral and anyone that supports is is also immoral.

You think that you are helping people but you are hurting others in the process. I don't argue that you have a bad heart because I don't want anyone to be without insurance either. But, what I do argue about is how to go about helping. Your heart is ahead of your mind and your mind is being totally ignorant of what is really going on.

You are arguing your feelings, I am arguing results.

 

Ok...so you are saying that...

If someone has a child but doesn't want to take care of that child then it is wrong to force them to do so. When that child dies of neglect, it is ok? Even less extreme...child support enforcement...maybe it was a one night stand and dad doesn't care about the child...ok to walk away?

Better yet...someone doesn't want their child immunized and when they spread diseases that otherwise would be eradicated it is ok?

The law says I can't go 160 MPH down the road but I want to so the police are criminal in encroaching on my freedom? Who are they to say I can't do it?

Drunk driving laws? Who is to impose upon my right to get drunk and drive?

How about the police and fire departments...I don't want to pay for those services?

Heck I got a 4WD truck...I don't care what kind of shape the roads are in...it makes my drive to work more challenging and justifies bigger tires if the roads are treacherous. Let there be potholes that would swallow up Smart Cars for all I care.

Get the idea? Yeah taxes suck. We are still part of a civilization and there is more than defense that has to be addressed. Whether taxes and laws come from the Feds, State, local...whatever, they still restrict us and protect us alike. The reality is the constitution give the feds pretty broad powers and our constitution is open to great interpretation. Beliefs have flip flopped more than once on things and will continue to do so as time goes on.

 

You are arguing responsibility now. If 2 consenting adults bring a child into the world, that child is their responsibility. Parents engaging in murder or neglect that would lead to murder is in fact, murder which is punishable.
No one forced them to have a child.
A child should not have to be forced to be immunized. If they get sick, it is due to their own fault or the parents from poor choices.

I think we should implement what Germany has with the autobahn, it has proven to be safer than our speed limit roads... I would much rather roads be left up to private citizens and built by private citizens instead of union. Let the private citizen decide. If someone can drive drunk, then fine. If they cause an accident, then they need punishment. We don't need to have a government that starts punishing people before they do something wrong.

Police is a proper function of government. They are there to protect your rights. Not provide handouts or provide services to one group and not another.

I am not against government it is just the fact that the bigger government grows the less your freedoms are. Our government was formed for 3 functions and 3 functions only:

Military
Police
Court Systems