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#16
I'll humor you K-mac. Answer this: Friend of mine had kidney stones last summer. He's unemployed (no healthcare). He had to pickup the tab himself (he didn't mind since he's not a leech) of over $3000 dolllars. You say Medicare/Medicaid should have picked up the tab. It didn't.
That's just one of your glaring lies that you like to state as truth. And if you think that Obamacare isn't a path to single payer, you haven't really been paying attention to what his advisors and appointees have said/written in the not so distant past in articles/meetings.
And please read some books on economics. Your ignorance of past US recessions is really embarassing. Especially your comment about the growth "until the late 70's". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._United_States
That's just one of your glaring lies that you like to state as truth. And if you think that Obamacare isn't a path to single payer, you haven't really been paying attention to what his advisors and appointees have said/written in the not so distant past in articles/meetings.
And please read some books on economics. Your ignorance of past US recessions is really embarassing. Especially your comment about the growth "until the late 70's". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._United_States
Frank...ok so you have one example of someone who was unemployed and must have had at least a modest savings built up. Also $3000.00 isn't a whole lot in terms of hospital charges. What if it were cancer instead and it was $100,000.00? How would he pick up those kind of charges?
There are people that couldn't come up with $50.00 if their life depended on it.
I didn't say that every unemployed person has Medicare/Medicaid either. Typically the elderly and disabled get Medicare. The lazy that are chronically unemployed and have little intention of doing anything else get Medicaid.
And yes, there were a few recessions along the way; however, overall growth was pretty continuous and those were pretty small recessions. Also note that unemployment rates were still fairly low. Full employment is considered to be a 5% unemployment rate due to transition, etc.
The severity of bubbles from the Reagan era, Bush Sr. and Bush Jr. and continuing with Obama have been startling. Also if you notice that many of these have roots in speculation, war time and personal debt. All of these were common things during the Bush years especially.
#17
I'm just pissed that yesterday I found out the state of Washington charges "Use Tax" on out of state firearm transfers on the BLUE BOOK value of the weapon which must be paid to the FFL holder who transfers the gun in state. So even though my local gun shop didn't actually take payment for the weapon I have to pay the state of WA 9.8% sales tax on the full purchase price of the gun + tax on the shipping charges. What a crock of crap since the gun store isn't actually taking payment on the actual gun. And no, you can't list it as a "gift" etc to knock the tax down, then the FFL is required to Blue book the value of the weapon and tax it.
And don't get me started on Washington State overriding voters and taxing candy, water and soda in our state because the politicians misbalanced the checkbook.
Although I think a lot of the tea party's members are whackjobs that are a little too far lost in space....I do agree with them on some of the logic behind their ideas...just not their ideas on how to solve the issue.
Government needs to stop piggybacking legislation that has nothing to do with the bill's actually being passed simply to get things signed into law. The original healthcare plan could have been something that was positive but with all the garbage that was tacked onto it from both Dems and Republicans it turned into a giant pile of steamy sh*t.
There are good ideas from both GOP's and Dems but with how our government works...none of them will get passed without being run through the ringer and demolished.
I use to lean more Democractic when voting....now more for GOP....but both parties ideas are clearly not working and the hole we're digging is just getting deeper.
I can say I voted for Obama thinking he would get some change done....obviously not the case as he has settled on every issue he said he would change....not so much as giving a fair fight for his actual beliefs and throwing in the towel on most topics. I will not vote for him again if he seeks re-election....unless of course Sarah Crazy Palin is on the GOP ticket; Scary to think people actually support her after hearing her speak about key issues and her lack of knowledge in general for any topic.
And don't get me started on Washington State overriding voters and taxing candy, water and soda in our state because the politicians misbalanced the checkbook.
Although I think a lot of the tea party's members are whackjobs that are a little too far lost in space....I do agree with them on some of the logic behind their ideas...just not their ideas on how to solve the issue.
Government needs to stop piggybacking legislation that has nothing to do with the bill's actually being passed simply to get things signed into law. The original healthcare plan could have been something that was positive but with all the garbage that was tacked onto it from both Dems and Republicans it turned into a giant pile of steamy sh*t.
There are good ideas from both GOP's and Dems but with how our government works...none of them will get passed without being run through the ringer and demolished.
I use to lean more Democractic when voting....now more for GOP....but both parties ideas are clearly not working and the hole we're digging is just getting deeper.
I can say I voted for Obama thinking he would get some change done....obviously not the case as he has settled on every issue he said he would change....not so much as giving a fair fight for his actual beliefs and throwing in the towel on most topics. I will not vote for him again if he seeks re-election....unless of course Sarah Crazy Palin is on the GOP ticket; Scary to think people actually support her after hearing her speak about key issues and her lack of knowledge in general for any topic.
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#21
They also tend to think Republicans and Tea Partiers are dumb, white, greedy, corporate loving racists who like stealing from the just and poor to give to the unjust and rich.
So they think it's their duty to speak up.
#22
My only question for the democrats concerning Obamacare is...
Since all the democrats voted for Obamacare (I stayed up and watched the voting on C-SPAN), why is it, that not ONE democrat I have seen running in this election has used "I voted for Obamacare to help you"? The democrats want us to believe it's the best thing the US has ever done for it's people, so why is it off of their platform for the 2010 election?
Since all the democrats voted for Obamacare (I stayed up and watched the voting on C-SPAN), why is it, that not ONE democrat I have seen running in this election has used "I voted for Obamacare to help you"? The democrats want us to believe it's the best thing the US has ever done for it's people, so why is it off of their platform for the 2010 election?
#23
Frank...ok so you have one example of someone who was unemployed and must have had at least a modest savings built up. Also $3000.00 isn't a whole lot in terms of hospital charges. What if it were cancer instead and it was $100,000.00? How would he pick up those kind of charges?
There are people that couldn't come up with $50.00 if their life depended on it.
I didn't say that every unemployed person has Medicare/Medicaid either. Typically the elderly and disabled get Medicare. The lazy that are chronically unemployed and have little intention of doing anything else get Medicaid.
And yes, there were a few recessions along the way; however, overall growth was pretty continuous and those were pretty small recessions. Also note that unemployment rates were still fairly low. Full employment is considered to be a 5% unemployment rate due to transition, etc.
The severity of bubbles from the Reagan era, Bush Sr. and Bush Jr. and continuing with Obama have been startling. Also if you notice that many of these have roots in speculation, war time and personal debt. All of these were common things during the Bush years especially.
There are people that couldn't come up with $50.00 if their life depended on it.
I didn't say that every unemployed person has Medicare/Medicaid either. Typically the elderly and disabled get Medicare. The lazy that are chronically unemployed and have little intention of doing anything else get Medicaid.
And yes, there were a few recessions along the way; however, overall growth was pretty continuous and those were pretty small recessions. Also note that unemployment rates were still fairly low. Full employment is considered to be a 5% unemployment rate due to transition, etc.
The severity of bubbles from the Reagan era, Bush Sr. and Bush Jr. and continuing with Obama have been startling. Also if you notice that many of these have roots in speculation, war time and personal debt. All of these were common things during the Bush years especially.
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#26
The simplest fix to pork barrel bills and all the crap attached to them would be to provide the president with a line item veto. Clinton asked for it but congress refused him (including the 1994 Newt group).
Both sides are corrupt and sell out to special interest groups!
Obama has not been the proponent for change he promised. If the Dems or GOP sent someone in better I would love it. The Dems will play with kid gloves though. The GOP will have some whack job and we are left holding our nose to vote.
I still challenge any Tea Party supporter to look up the Koch brothers. They are the founders of that group. They are a wolf in sheeps clothing. Yes we all want to hear more jobs and lower taxes. They just want to make more $$ at any cost. Screw the environment, labor and anyone else they have to step on to get there.
The idea of stripping govt sounds good until it is done. Again...you can have pure capitalism in lovely spots like Somalia and Mexico! Go check them out!
Both sides are corrupt and sell out to special interest groups!
Obama has not been the proponent for change he promised. If the Dems or GOP sent someone in better I would love it. The Dems will play with kid gloves though. The GOP will have some whack job and we are left holding our nose to vote.
I still challenge any Tea Party supporter to look up the Koch brothers. They are the founders of that group. They are a wolf in sheeps clothing. Yes we all want to hear more jobs and lower taxes. They just want to make more $$ at any cost. Screw the environment, labor and anyone else they have to step on to get there.
The idea of stripping govt sounds good until it is done. Again...you can have pure capitalism in lovely spots like Somalia and Mexico! Go check them out!
#27
The simplest fix to pork barrel bills and all the crap attached to them would be to provide the president with a line item veto. Clinton asked for it but congress refused him (including the 1994 Newt group).
Both sides are corrupt and sell out to special interest groups!
Obama has not been the proponent for change he promised. If the Dems or GOP sent someone in better I would love it. The Dems will play with kid gloves though. The GOP will have some whack job and we are left holding our nose to vote.
I still challenge any Tea Party supporter to look up the Koch brothers. They are the founders of that group. They are a wolf in sheeps clothing. Yes we all want to hear more jobs and lower taxes. They just want to make more $$ at any cost. Screw the environment, labor and anyone else they have to step on to get there.
The idea of stripping govt sounds good until it is done. Again...you can have pure capitalism in lovely spots like Somalia and Mexico! Go check them out!
Both sides are corrupt and sell out to special interest groups!
Obama has not been the proponent for change he promised. If the Dems or GOP sent someone in better I would love it. The Dems will play with kid gloves though. The GOP will have some whack job and we are left holding our nose to vote.
I still challenge any Tea Party supporter to look up the Koch brothers. They are the founders of that group. They are a wolf in sheeps clothing. Yes we all want to hear more jobs and lower taxes. They just want to make more $$ at any cost. Screw the environment, labor and anyone else they have to step on to get there.
The idea of stripping govt sounds good until it is done. Again...you can have pure capitalism in lovely spots like Somalia and Mexico! Go check them out!
Seriously, who cares if they contribute some of THEIR money to folks who stand again the policies that are ruining our Country. It's peanuts compared to money the Left receives from the likes of Soros and friends. Plus, the Left receives millions of dollars of taxpayers' money from union contributions.
Go back and suckle on the taxpayers' teat.
#28
#29
What's with your fascination with the Koch brothers? Sounds like someone wants a three-way.
Seriously, who cares if they contribute some of THEIR money to folks who stand again the policies that are ruining our Country. It's peanuts compared to money the Left receives from the likes of Soros and friends. Plus, the Left receives millions of dollars of taxpayers' money from union contributions.
Go back and suckle on the taxpayers' teat.
Seriously, who cares if they contribute some of THEIR money to folks who stand again the policies that are ruining our Country. It's peanuts compared to money the Left receives from the likes of Soros and friends. Plus, the Left receives millions of dollars of taxpayers' money from union contributions.
Go back and suckle on the taxpayers' teat.
The other thing with all of the funding on the right is where is it coming from? I see all kinds of groups popping out of the woodwork like Karl Rove's GPS group and such. The ruling the Supreme Court made allows corporations and unions to donate unlimited money without being acknowledged for it. Money corrupts politics. Why would anyone spend MILLIONS of dollars to get a job that pays thousands?
#30
The difference between the Koch brothers and George Soros is that the Koch brothers are spending millions to deceive people into putting laws in place that will ultimately make him richer. George Soros is donating money to support policies that he feels will make a better America despite the fact that those policies will actually cost him more money.
The other thing with all of the funding on the right is where is it coming from? I see all kinds of groups popping out of the woodwork like Karl Rove's GPS group and such. The ruling the Supreme Court made allows corporations and unions to donate unlimited money without being acknowledged for it. Money corrupts politics. Why would anyone spend MILLIONS of dollars to get a job that pays thousands?
The other thing with all of the funding on the right is where is it coming from? I see all kinds of groups popping out of the woodwork like Karl Rove's GPS group and such. The ruling the Supreme Court made allows corporations and unions to donate unlimited money without being acknowledged for it. Money corrupts politics. Why would anyone spend MILLIONS of dollars to get a job that pays thousands?