I believe It's because weed is still considered so "Taboo" that it's still not legalized.

I pretty much agree with everything you said, Fish.

I don't hate alcohol or anything. I like a c0cktail or few, but as you get older I think your priorities change, big time. I drink on special occasions, and thats about it these days. I can't stand the idea of how expensive alcohol is. I don't intend to be real specific, but I am a supporter of legalization (Albiet a very quiet one.). It's amazing to me that one night at the bar could cost me minimum $60, not including food, taxi, etc. When I can pick-up a $40 bag of a nice funky tabaky and it will last me months.

The difference in the "high" is extreme as well. I'm ashamed of how many times in my life I've let alcohol take over the controls and I've acted completely foolish. Although I don't brag about the high a person would get from smoking weed(because It does make a person rather dim-witted), it's realatively harmless, not only on the body, but those around you. If I'm smoking, I'm at home alone or with a good friend. I eat till I can't eat no more, and I just relax and giggle the night away. Wake up the next day and go on with life with no ill-effects.

 

I'm not sure I'm following you Scuba ? Yes, driving a car drunk is a VERY stupid move. Pretty much everyone agrees that alcohol impairs your motor abilities. Pot absolutely does not work this way.... and the only people who believe that it does, are those that have never smoked it themselves, and are just going by heresay.

Thank you Buckdropper and dlenkewich.

So true, but I still had to laugh LOL

Peace,
Fish

 

alcohol is one of only three drugs that you might die from withdraws. The other two being benzos and methadone(both synthetics) Im friends with quite a few people that are NOW clean and sober...I've heard many stories about how wretched it made their lives and the lives of people around them.

Not everyone is a raging idiot when drunk though..just as not every gun owner shoots his neighbors. There are many things out there that may alter someones mind in a way it wouldn't someone else's.. physical things, like cars/bikes, money, and guns. We cant judge someone or suspect everyone with that item, or everyone that drinks will act in a ill manor. Thats where the law, jail, and rehabilitation centers come in hand to weed out that small group, and maybe help them make a change.

Just my two cents...sorry so long, I just couldn't stop typing...

EDIT: i look at it now and maybe its not so long...maybe i just think slow...lol

 

The biggest issue I have against alcohol is it being miss-used in a non-secure place.

Even when young, I preffered to drink excessively only at close friend-gatherings. For a young man, excessive drinking in bars seems to lead to fights and obnoxiousness.

Even scarier is how many young girls get out of control in bars, pubs and random house parties and become completely volunerable. Becoming so drunk they become incoherient, (coupled with a young persons sense of invincibility) and can be led astray from the security of their friends so easily. All it takes is one bad seed to be lurking at a house party to ruin one person/families life. It's terrifying.

The spouse has admitted, that in the past(long time ago now), she has been drunk outside of the bar and accepted rides from complete strangers. Now, this was in a small town many years ago, so the likely hood of a rapist type, I would say, would be less then the city, but it's terrifying to think that a drunk teen relinquished control to a complete stranger because at the time they felt they could trust that person, biased on a quick judgment of character. She got home safe that day, but it so easily could have been a scene straight out of a horror movie.

This is where pot in my books is safer then alcohol. I don't hear many stories of lighting up with complete strangers. Couple that with the paranoia of good product, someone under the influence of weed is most likely relaxed, but on high alert of suspicious activity.

(Reminds me of a time past, when smoking with close friends at a cabin, I kept randomly panicing and yelling that the cabin was on fire. I was mistaken, it was a completely contained roaring fire in a wood burning fireplace. Soarly, I must admit, I must have done this 5 times that night.)

 

So whats your take on tobacco, ****, and prescription drugs?

 

the only reason alcohol is detrimental is because it is so readily available. if pot, cocain, heroin, etc were legal, this would be a whole different story. Please note that this is on society, not the individual. Alcohol is not the deadliest to the individual, but to the population.

 

1870s-

Now Introducing, Extra Strength Bayer Aspirin, now with extra heroin!!!!

Life expectancy at this time, about 48.

 

I'm sure that had nothing to do with everyday violence, lack of medical care, the fact that we didn't even know what a virus was or that there were no antibiotics yet, right?

- NCSU

 

I think they consider alcohol more dangerous because it is much cheaper for the amount you can get. If you just want to get everyone at a party crazy you'll want to go with the cheapest "drug" and in most cases that is alcohol.

You also can't just remove all the laws on drugs in our society now. It isn't the 1800's and people (as in large populations) are not able to think for themselves and make the most logical decision. Now we have this thing called advertising that targets your instincts more than your logic. If you were to take some ads from today and show them to people of the 1800s they would find them repulsive (although fun to look at in many cases). In the 1800s, the ads or sales pitches were stating the facts about the product, not that you wanted it or that you dont feel complete without it.

Here is a little example that I see every day. Everytime I go to the store there is a cardboard cutout of a really hot chick with a bud light logo on her shirt, guess where the words "bud" and "light" are? It is fun to look at but why is that effective advertising? It couples their logo with a positive sexual image giving you an overall feeling that you like their product. In reality all it is a sheet of cardboard with the budlight logo. You keep going and get to the beer cooler where you see a wall of alcohol with more brands than you can name. Aside from the colors and individual advertising on the boxes you'd have an inner prefrence for the Bud Light because you were emotionally attracted to their cardboard cutout. But nobody feels like they were tricked into having a teeny tiny little prefrence for BL by Budweiser because the picture was fun to look at. Pay attention to the ads next time you flip through a magazine. You will see advertisements that have no face value to an analytical eye but can influence what you feel about the product.

I've watched people get completely wasted for one reason, because they could. And they were proud afterwards that they drank until they passed out. WTF? Because someone had the money and was allowed to buy a massive amount of alcohol they were allowed to because business is business. You could try limiting the amount of alcohol someone is allowed to get but there are ways around that too. The one limiting factor I've seen is not the rules prohibiting it, because there are ways around them, but the price. I'm for the legalization of pot but give it a tax that makes cigarettes look cheap. Then manipulate that tax to control the illegal growing and importation of the plant. Right now pot is a goldmine, with a high value you bet someone will try to profit off of it. Just like the fed does with the value of the dollar. They dont have total control but by regulating interest rates they do have some leeway. Why not apply that to one other commodities?

Those are a different kind of morality. Those were intended to give security. The kinds of morality discussed here is letting you drink alcohol, not letting you kill people.

 

Marijuana was much later than the 1900's it was the 1960. During the Vietnam war it was said that the protesters needed to be stopped but under the constitution you cannot arrest people for protesting. However they noticed a lot of protesters smoked marijuana. If you make marijuana illegal you can arrest people without infringing on their rights. So it was enforced. Now whether or not it was actually considered illegal during the 50's and 60's I dont know. However in WWI they used to grow hemp for clothing and give soldiers MJ as a way to calm them down. There is lots of information on this doing a quick google search.

Also there was a tape or interview that came out that said the protesters were dangerous. Something along the lines of: "These kids, they sit around, smoke, read book, and talk" as if people talking and reading is a bad thing.




Incorrect, 0.08 BAC is deemed that 100% of the population is drunk. If they were worried about what people do on alcohol they would lower it to 0.04 or 0.05. Most people are smashed long before 0.05 but can legally drive home. If it was actually about safety then this would more be the focus. Ever heard of a guy getting stoned and beating his wife? What about pot heads robbing 7-11? Worst thing a pot head has done to me was offer me a smoke as I walked by and called me a 'grumpy old dude'




Incorrect on the comparison between pot and alcohol. Lets say on average 10/12 40% alcoholic drinks in 1 hour are considered a lethal dose. 15,000 joints of Marijuana are required in 20 minutes to overdose on TCH.





Canada has been arguing with this for a couple years, much like California, I was at first strongly against the legalization of it. However over the last two years I have learned a lot and now think that it should be legal but controlled in the same fashion as tobacco and alcohol.

 

Oh for the love of God will you stop! If you say pot has no effect on motor skills you are a fool. Granted a bar of 75 patrons drinking may result in a fight or two but, Put 75 addicts in the same bar shooting heroin and smoking crack all night and see what happens! Now come along sheeple and I will lead the way. WTF.

 

Agreed I am only referring to pot. The other drugs, especially the synthesized ones, are absolutely horrible.

 

If you think smoking pot is anything like shooting heroin or smoking crack then you are the one who's had the wool pulled over your eyes.

- NCSU

 

Marijuana wasn't illegal per se but it was effectively made illegal around the 1930s. The Stamp Act said you had to have this tax stamp to purchase and possess it. However they refused to sell the stamp so you couldn't buy it.

Later it was made a certain schedule of drug with no medical use and again illegal and research was banned on it as well.

 

Thanks, one thing I didnt know.