D.a.d.t.
#31
How is it any different to say I don't want to serve next to a gay guy than it is to say I don't want to serve next to a black guy? Either way it is acting on a prejudice.
There are men and women serving side by side in the military right? No they aren't bunking together but there have been cases of female soldiers being raped, right?
If some gay man is putting unwanted moves on you it falls under sexual harassment just like if it occurred between a man and a woman.
I just don't think all that much is going to change. Every other western nation has gays in their armed forces. If you are working with foreign soldiers then you are probably already working with a gay soldier!
There are men and women serving side by side in the military right? No they aren't bunking together but there have been cases of female soldiers being raped, right?
If some gay man is putting unwanted moves on you it falls under sexual harassment just like if it occurred between a man and a woman.
I just don't think all that much is going to change. Every other western nation has gays in their armed forces. If you are working with foreign soldiers then you are probably already working with a gay soldier!
#32
Because there is a difference between gay and black. You cant compare race and sexual preference. A gay guy or guys living in a tent for a year with straight guys is going to lead to issues for both sides, its going to happen. And yes the Iraqi Security Forces we work with are gay, theyre iraqi. This doesnt mean its ok for us to do or that we have to agree its ok. Thats like doing something wrong and your excuse being, "well i saw him do it so i thought it was ok".
#33
Mine is a purely civillian point of view, as I've never served in the military.
I see no reason a gay person couldn't do the exact same job, as good as, any straight person. I don't believe that sexual orientation effects ones ability to do a job.
I do believe that the repeal of dadt will do a fine job of weeding out the violent homophobes in the military. What a place to weed them out, but a place where people are trained to use, and issued weapons. A few hate crimes and the military will be rid of thoes violent homophobes. Then it'll be one big happy family.
Again, just a civillian point of view here, but what does sexuallity have to do with the military? Why is it an issue, gay, straight, or whatever?
How about the sexually active single people? Should they be able to come out as people who "love" themselves?
I see no reason a gay person couldn't do the exact same job, as good as, any straight person. I don't believe that sexual orientation effects ones ability to do a job.
I do believe that the repeal of dadt will do a fine job of weeding out the violent homophobes in the military. What a place to weed them out, but a place where people are trained to use, and issued weapons. A few hate crimes and the military will be rid of thoes violent homophobes. Then it'll be one big happy family.
Again, just a civillian point of view here, but what does sexuallity have to do with the military? Why is it an issue, gay, straight, or whatever?
How about the sexually active single people? Should they be able to come out as people who "love" themselves?
#35
they call us homophobic like we are the ones screwed up. last i checked phobia is a fear of something. disgust and fear are 2 distinct feelings. we are forced to adapt to them.
when i was in the army and there was a disagreement that turned into a fight it was dealt with. maybe a reprimand, extra duty or an article 15. now all one of these has to do is claim they were beat up and they are gay and here goes a court martial.
when i was in the army and there was a disagreement that turned into a fight it was dealt with. maybe a reprimand, extra duty or an article 15. now all one of these has to do is claim they were beat up and they are gay and here goes a court martial.
#36
That's the way it used to be, but over the last ten years it has slowly become softer and softer.
#37
You can't compare private industry to the military.
Wittom: The military operates in a completely different way than private industry. Not everyone has the right to serve in the military. It is a privilage, not a right, and that should be able to be refused.
I know that if I had served, I would have wanted all weak, gay, and unable people to kindly step aside and those who can function properly take care of the job. This would raise the likelyhood that more of us would not get killed. I would never want an openly gay man serving next to me. Period. Again, I've never served, but I've been around a lot of military stuff and I can tell you that openly gay men would not help troop morale.
I wonder if Obama has taken into consideration how many more guys are going to get their a** kicked now that they have the right to run their mouth about being a homosexual. I bet he didn't take that into consideration.
OBAMA SUPPORTS ABUSE OF GAYS IN THE MILITARY!!
Wittom: The military operates in a completely different way than private industry. Not everyone has the right to serve in the military. It is a privilage, not a right, and that should be able to be refused.
I know that if I had served, I would have wanted all weak, gay, and unable people to kindly step aside and those who can function properly take care of the job. This would raise the likelyhood that more of us would not get killed. I would never want an openly gay man serving next to me. Period. Again, I've never served, but I've been around a lot of military stuff and I can tell you that openly gay men would not help troop morale.
I wonder if Obama has taken into consideration how many more guys are going to get their a** kicked now that they have the right to run their mouth about being a homosexual. I bet he didn't take that into consideration.
OBAMA SUPPORTS ABUSE OF GAYS IN THE MILITARY!!
Last edited by Green_98; 12-20-2010 at 08:58 AM.
#40
I wonder if Obama has taken into consideration how many more guys are going to get their a** kicked now that they have the right to run their mouth about being a homosexual. I bet he didn't take that into consideration.
#42
All this is, is just another stepping stone. Clinton things up by starting this program in the first place. Now they do away with DADT and what is the next step? Two queers who are married where homosexual marrage is allowed and join the military....Base housing or other "special" priveledges? So now the militaty is in the business of PROMOTING homosexual marrage? This whole thing opens many cans of worms for the military. How about two queers on leave in a country where they frown to the point of death about homosexuals----will that be the "Fault" of the military if something bad happens to them, and what will that cost the Government (you and me) ?
Besides there is NO job in the military that would require one to be homosexual or straight, so get off the idea that this is about a soldier being able to do his or her job. The whole thing is about the gays being able to wave their queerness in other's faces. NOTHING GOOD WILL COME FROM THIS.
Now look at the other side, how many able straight people will there be who won't consider the military because they don't want to be forced into a bizare workplace envorment? And as has been stated ealier the military is not run like a private corporation.
And dlenkowich drop the "homophobic" crap, it adds nothing and makes you sound like a parrot.
Besides there is NO job in the military that would require one to be homosexual or straight, so get off the idea that this is about a soldier being able to do his or her job. The whole thing is about the gays being able to wave their queerness in other's faces. NOTHING GOOD WILL COME FROM THIS.
Now look at the other side, how many able straight people will there be who won't consider the military because they don't want to be forced into a bizare workplace envorment? And as has been stated ealier the military is not run like a private corporation.
And dlenkowich drop the "homophobic" crap, it adds nothing and makes you sound like a parrot.
Last edited by Bluejay; 12-21-2010 at 10:31 AM. Reason: languge
#43
If you don't like gay's having right's then why don't you go live in the eastern world where their society shares that view, then you can also beat your wife, get gunned down in the streets because of your religion or hung by your extremist government because of your political view's.
You want to live here in the western world where you have freedom and rights, but you don't want to share those rights with your fellow man because YOU think he's wrong to be attracted to beings that you are not. Give me a break. Some of you are so ignorant it's disgusting.
Here's a news flash, you ARE a homophobe if you can't shower with a bunch of dudes because you think one of them want's to rape you.
You afraid of queers or what? Who's the real fairy? The man who can't shower with someone or the gay man who's willing to stand on the front lines and fight for his country?
As you American's say "IF YOU DON'T STAND BEHIND OUR TROOPS, FEEL FREE TO STAND INFRONT OF THEM."
You want to live here in the western world where you have freedom and rights, but you don't want to share those rights with your fellow man because YOU think he's wrong to be attracted to beings that you are not. Give me a break. Some of you are so ignorant it's disgusting.
Here's a news flash, you ARE a homophobe if you can't shower with a bunch of dudes because you think one of them want's to rape you.
You afraid of queers or what? Who's the real fairy? The man who can't shower with someone or the gay man who's willing to stand on the front lines and fight for his country?
As you American's say "IF YOU DON'T STAND BEHIND OUR TROOPS, FEEL FREE TO STAND INFRONT OF THEM."
#44
the biggest difference is that in a civilian job you go in to work for 8 hours and then go home. in the military you dont go home and have to share quarters which may be a small tent. it is a very confining and cohesive atmosphere.
these alternative lifestyle deviants want equality but then want to be treated "special". they want it both ways.
i have a pair of these freaks living neat me and they cant even kill a spider. they run from a snake and cower in their house at the sound of a noise out side at night. just what i want covering me in a fight.
and delinkiwich, its a USA thing. your profile shows you as canadian===so save your comments, we dont want to here them.
these alternative lifestyle deviants want equality but then want to be treated "special". they want it both ways.
i have a pair of these freaks living neat me and they cant even kill a spider. they run from a snake and cower in their house at the sound of a noise out side at night. just what i want covering me in a fight.
and delinkiwich, its a USA thing. your profile shows you as canadian===so save your comments, we dont want to here them.