Pharmacist Gets Life in Prison. Self Defense or Excessive Force?
#16
07-12-2011 | 12:51 PM
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I think we, as pro-second amendment Americans, need to condemn actions like these with extreme prejudice. These are exactly the cases that the gun control crowd likes to use to sway peoples opinions about guns. I understand not wanting to side with the gun control left, but I cannot see how anyone can justify his actions. Defending him only hurts the creditability of those who are responsible gun owners.
Some of you said you'd acquit him, or that it was only self defense. Please watch the video and tell me how that was anything other than an execution? You can't say he was still a threat. The kid that was shot, laying on the ground bleeding out his head didn't have a gun. There was only 1 gun between the 2 robbers and the other one had it. I still say by taking part in an armed robbery you deserve to get shot, and the initial shooting was justified. Secondly, he walked right by the kid to go get the gun, if he somehow presented a threat why would he be able to just walk right past him again?
I'm trying to see the other side,, but just can't.....
Some of you said you'd acquit him, or that it was only self defense. Please watch the video and tell me how that was anything other than an execution? You can't say he was still a threat. The kid that was shot, laying on the ground bleeding out his head didn't have a gun. There was only 1 gun between the 2 robbers and the other one had it. I still say by taking part in an armed robbery you deserve to get shot, and the initial shooting was justified. Secondly, he walked right by the kid to go get the gun, if he somehow presented a threat why would he be able to just walk right past him again?
I'm trying to see the other side,, but just can't.....
#17
07-12-2011 | 01:05 PM
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i live here and have seen all the dirty little details. there were some inconsitencies in his story BUT my feeling is you forfeit your life if you threaten another. what about the pharmacist and his employees? didnt i see a story about a pharmacist and a customer getting executed in NJ or NY last month? the fewer theives alive and running loose the better chance you have to survive. they should have executed the deceased two buddies but they gave them life in prison. this was clearly a capital crime they were involved in. a death occured while they were committing a felony. they were older and talked this boy into throwing his life away.
#18
07-12-2011 | 01:55 PM
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07-13-2011 | 03:24 PM
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Punk kid had no buisness waving (or having a gun in the first place) the gun, he got what he deserved. The kids picked off more than they could chew but they should have realised it could happen. This verdict sends a very bad message ie if u try to protect yourself u could get jail. There is no way the pharmacist should get locked up, he should be rewarded not punnished!!
#21
07-13-2011 | 07:07 PM
Punk kid had no buisness waving (or having a gun in the first place) the gun, he got what he deserved. The kids picked off more than they could chew but they should have realised it could happen. This verdict sends a very bad message ie if u try to protect yourself u could get jail. There is no way the pharmacist should get locked up, he should be rewarded not punnished!!
#22
07-13-2011 | 07:27 PM
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Play stupid games win stupid prizes. Thats what happens. Bet he won't rob anyone again will he? His accomplices should be charged with his murder and the pharmacist should be praised for keeping the kid from doing this to anyone else in the future.
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07-13-2011 | 10:27 PM
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Maybe so but if it weren't for the pussification of this society people would be saying exactly what Im saying. These people come in with guns to rob the place and they could have killed someone totally innocent. Thats a little overboard too aint it? But thats ok because the criminals get more protection even if they're in the wrong.
#25
07-13-2011 | 10:51 PM
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I under stand what your saying, and I agree with most of it. Our society is weak. I believe in an eye for an eye punishment, but me must act as according to our society. If we don't, we will be given life imprisonment. With all that aside, I believe that single shot to head would have been enough to prevent perpetrator from attempting this crime again. Threat eliminated, move on.
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07-14-2011 | 01:28 AM
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that would have been more acceptable in my eyes. I mean look what the guy went through maybe he lost it because of the stress of the situation. Or maybe he had such an adrenaline rush and fear for his life that the guy just twitched and....you get the picture.
#28
07-14-2011 | 04:08 AM
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Alex............to answer yr question, I could not care less how the kid is!!!! They attempted an armed robbery and if yr going to do that u have to accept the risks! They obviously did (because they went ahead & tried to rob the store) & the rest as they say is history! Why should anyone feel sorry for him? He knew what he was doing was wrong & he still went ahead & did it, he has no-one to blame but himself!!
#29
07-15-2011 | 03:10 AM
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With a 9mm, I think three to the center of mass, for starters. (Head shots are too risky, especially with a pistol.) If threat is eliminated, cease fire. If not, continue until threat is eliminated. That's what the correct answer is on the CCW test in my state. (And also, once the guy was down, he could have completely eliminated the threat by getting himself and bystanders OUT of there .)
Here the threat was clearly eliminated; end of story as far as that aspect goes...his actions in going back and finishing the kid off were not justified. They also teach you that in CCW school, and actually many CCW classes go into a fair detail on the legal hassles and attorney fees you're likely to end up with even if you end up being completely justified in the end.
Should he have gotten life? That depends on what degree of murder he ended up getting convicted of. The circumstances seem to weigh against complete premeditation, so something like 10 years seems more in the ballpark. I guess they figured parole will be granted at some point.
Here the threat was clearly eliminated; end of story as far as that aspect goes...his actions in going back and finishing the kid off were not justified. They also teach you that in CCW school, and actually many CCW classes go into a fair detail on the legal hassles and attorney fees you're likely to end up with even if you end up being completely justified in the end.
Should he have gotten life? That depends on what degree of murder he ended up getting convicted of. The circumstances seem to weigh against complete premeditation, so something like 10 years seems more in the ballpark. I guess they figured parole will be granted at some point.
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#30
07-15-2011 | 08:14 AM
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With a 9mm, I think three to the center of mass, for starters. (Head shots are too risky, especially with a pistol.) If threat is eliminated, cease fire. If not, continue until threat is eliminated. That's what the correct answer is on the CCW test in my state. (And also, once the guy was down, he could have completely eliminated the threat by getting himself and bystanders OUT of there .)
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