Chinese Aircraft Carrier


I wonder how much cheap plastic and lead paint they used

 

they make all are stuff with the cheap stuff and save the good stuff for them self.

 

Who said they had ANY good stuff? Can't believe they know what good stuff is, they're so used to copying and counterfeiting. Former "unfinished" Russian garbage scow... er, "ship of some kind", we're not sure what but we're gonna make believe it's an aircraft carrier. Why heck, it's actually pretty new, was only started in '98 so it'll be a couple years before the hull is rusted through. See all those guys on it, they're actually the maintenance crew that are in charge of keeping it from sinking. BUT, we got a good deal on it!

 

They should have named it Debt Collector

 

Whole lot of underestimating of China going on in this thread....

Mods better move it to politics and religion ASAP.

 

"But despite the triumphant tone of the launching, which was watched by President Hu Jintao and Prime Minister Wen Jiabao, and despite rousing assessments by Chinese military experts about the importance of the carrier, the vessel will be used only for training and testing for the foreseeable future.

The mark “16” on the carrier’s side indicates that it is limited to training, Chinese and other military experts said. China does not have planes capable of landing on the carrier and so far training for such landings has been carried out on land, they said."

“The fact is the aircraft carrier is useless for the Chinese Navy,” You Ji, a visiting senior research fellow at the National University of Singapore, said in an interview. “If it is used against America, it has no survivability. If it is used against China’s neighbors, it’s a sign of bullying.”

Vietnam, a neighbor with whom China has fought wars, operates land-based Russian Su-30 aircraft that could pose a threat to the aircraft carrier, Mr. You said. “In the South China Sea, if the carrier is damaged by the Vietnamese, it’s a huge loss of face,” he said. “It’s not worth it.”

Up to now, Chinese pilots have been limited to practicing simulated carrier landings on concrete strips on land in Chinese J-8 aircraft based on Soviet-made MIG-23s produced about 25 years ago, Mr. You said. The pilots could not undertake the difficult maneuver of landing on a moving carrier because China does not yet have suitable aircraft, Mr. You said.



So as we can see,
1. They bought hull from Ukraine
2. Its a trainer
3. They don't even have aircraft capable of utilizing the carrier and are far from developing such aircraft.
4. Its merely political flexing
5. It does not have United States Marines on it so it is obviously inferior.

Link: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/26/wo...ical.html?_r=0

 

Not to mention that the US has, what, 70+ years of carrier operations; and all the associated experience which that incurs. They aren't even into the "D" stage of D-I-K-W.

 

1. So it will make a nice template for the first generation of Made in China carriers, which are now a decade or so closer to launch than if the Chinese had not bought this vessel.
2. Until they get into a conflict.
3. Far from developing aircraft capabile of using a carrier? Really? It looks like it would easily be used by something like a Harrier or a Yak 38, both of which are 40 year old technology. What makes you think the Chinese are incapable of matching or exceeding those planes?
4. Shoot, the Chinese say it's even a failure as a political muscle. Makes you wonder why they are throwing their money away. Or maybe they are lying?

5. Total agreement. Let's just hope this deck is not used to kill or injure any US Marines over it's 5 decades or so of service life.

 

1. Thats all it is, a template for training. The hull they bought was outdated when it was comissend especially compared to ships like the USS Reagan and Nimitz class. Plus the Soviets used this class of ship as merely surface fleet protection unlike our shps that are attack class carriers.
2. If this ship is meant as a trainer then it would take even the chinese 6 months to convert her into a war capable ship and then we are left with the fact that she isnt a "projection of power" type of ship.
3. Currently the chinese are using Mig 23's which are not carrier capable. Hell they are just now training pilots to land on this things and still doing it land based. Remember our carrier experiance dates back to the early 1900's and it still isnt a easy task.
4. Frankly this is merely to intimidate thier nieghbors who do not have carriers such as Japan, Tawian, Vietnam etc etc. Which if you reall rely on the US for fleet duty.
5. That thing is built with Chinese and Soviet steel, i highly doubt its gonna see alot of ocean ventures compared to dock time. After all remember the rust and qaulity issues with chinese imported steel during the 80's-90's? If their steel was any good my dad's 95 EB F150 would be spotless from rust lol.

 

Yea, you convinced me. The Chinese Navy will never pose any threat whatsoever to us or our allies.

 

Dave with all due respect thier Navy is nothing to fear, the army is another thing though. Our Nimitz class carriers (which our being phased out of service) are several steps ahead of them. But with my experience in this it is no more of threat right now to us than Iran thinking they can go toe to toe with the 7th fleet in the Persian Gulf. We still boast the most powerful military this world has ever seen. Trust me our troops, sailors and Marines train for this stuff. I have full faith that if the Chinese get ****y and try to go up against us in a naval battle tommorow or 50 years from now we will sink them before they get thier a chance to fly their as of now concept aircraft f the deck.

 

have to wonder if the batterys are replaceable or , do ya just throw the whole aircraft carrier away and buy another when they die ??

 

At least they paid for it themselves.

 

Sure they didn't just take it for a couple thousand debt that the Ukraine couldn't pay?

 

I'm with Dave on this one. Don't underestimate the Chinese military - or anybody elses military for that matter. Sure, everything they've got is copied / stolen / foraged from somebody else. But doing that allowed them not to spend the time and money developing completely new stuff on their own. They can now spend that money to rapidly improve what they now have.

Another important point to ponder is that our naval strength has not been seriously tested since WWII. Do you think it might be possible that somebody has developed - but not tested in actual war - a weapon or two that might seriously surprise us? What if Iran actually could sink one of our carriers with their new rocket powered torpedo? (Borrowed from the Soviets.)

It's nice to be proud of what we have, but don't ever get ****y.