Hi Shanker....

I'm writing this from the UK.....my "real" home !

Though as the sticker says....."I wasn't born in Tx....I just got there as soon as I could!"

We spend as much time each year as immigration allows down in the Rio Grande.
We were there in April and return in September (I get to see my truck again!)

Whether it is not being a permanent resident of the valley or what....but I really haven't seen too many what I call "Special" cars etc.
I am sure they are there but often are well guarded secrets.

Over here I often got a buzz a few years ago from telling people that I knew a guy with 90 Rolls Royce.

Of course they never believe it.

Then you tell them they were all pre WW2, and all black and they think you live in fantasy land.

Then you quote his name, show a few magazine articles, and offer a personal tour of the collection !!
Worth the look on their faces!
Unfortunately Tom died a couple of years ago and his collection is now sold....

However if you do hear anything about that collection in Tx keep us informed.

And....yes I am into that sort of thing....I like all cars.....I'm not just hung up on one make.
I have Jags, MG's etc.
I used to import cars from the States to the UK.
Vettes, 66 Toronado, 48 Fleetine Aerosedan, Superbird etc etc.

Nothing gave me more pleasure than turning up at a RR rally in a my lime green 48 Fleetline...the looks on the faces....they usually tried to stick me in the corner of a field.

Then I remind them that the superb Bentley Continental fastback of the 50's (Now worth a small fortune)....probably took it's styling from the Cadillac of that era !

You see I am a true car nut....have been for over 50 years....
My next new car due for delivery in 2 weeks will be number 59 !

 

Well, I'm not sure I should even chime in here because my car has never been featured in a magazine and I feel unworthy as a result, but I'll risk it. I have however spent countless days and nights in auto assembly plant paint shops. Controlling orange peel is a significant paint quality issue in any production paint facility. Many factors including application rates, paint viscosity, film build, bake oven temperature, oven heat-up rates, and on and on play a role in how much or how little you get. It is frequently caused by heavy paint film build in a single pass, but nearly as frequently by some property of the paint itself. Anybody who has been too heavy-handed with an aeresol can of Krylon has probably seen this phenomenon.

It may "always be there and have to be sanded" in a body shop but I assure you it is not always there in a production paint facility such as Ford, Toyota, GM, etc. Production vehicles are not individually wet-sanded. They are designed so that the body goes in as bare metal and comes out the other side e-coated, primed, color-coated and clear-coated. Sure, some go through twice and some get spot-repair after or get pulled for repair midway through but in general its a no-touch process.

Some assembly plants have much lees of a problem than others, at least to some degree because the use entirely different paint systems (paint, equipment, processes) and in a lot of plants it comes and goes as they tweak things maybe fighting some other problem like adhesion, spatters or light coverage.

Now to the good stuff: It can actually be worse on some colors than others. Every color paint has a different type of ingredient that gives it color. This is why different color paints are different prices (per gallon) and it is also one reason why different colors react differently in a given set of parameters. Different color paints are therefore actually different chemically, not just visually. (much in the same way that milk mixed with dirty motor oil is different from milk mixed with strawberry ice cream in ways besides just color). So a paint shop becomes a big balancing act between hundreds of variables and dozens of desired quality objectives and some days, some colors are better than others.


My truck (premium Chestnut) has pretty decent paint too for what it's worth.:D

 

Some interesting info there Logical...thanks !

Orange peel really was a big problem back in the 50's and 60's...and it certainly can still be seen today, though I was surprised that Skagel has it and thus started off this thread!

The technology used in modern paint facilities should ensure that it doesn't happen.....
However.....a while ago I was fortunate to go round the Rolls Royce plant in Crewe where they had invested in a multi million pound new paint spray area, and just coming out was a new Silver Seraph in black with the worst case of OP I have seen in many years !

This is on a paint line where every RR or Bentley is interspersed with an Aston Martin !

I presume that one went back to the start of the line !

 

well, every new mercedes and ferrari that i have seen has some level of orange peel and i have not seen a single american car without some. black usually showing it the worst and white the least but it is always there unless the car gets hand rubbed. as far as the collection in texas goes, i just saw a guy in texas selling some of his collection on ebay and from the two vehicles that i saw he had some serious money in the collection so it might be part of this mysterious collection.

 

I was told by my paint and body guy that in a factory situation that they have 100% control over the paint. He told me that if they wanted to they could lay it down as smoothe as silk. He said the reason they dont is to hide imperfections. If you have a mirror glass surface every little flat spot in a body panel would show up. He replaced a quarter on a lexus and this is when he told me this, he said look at your ford, smooth as glass on the hood, cab sides about the windows, but anything below the Pin stripe (00 HD F150) has its fair share of orange peel, then he showed me the lexus, this was one of the high end cars (im not familiar w/ models) and it was smooth as glass from the roof to the rocker panel...he siad that factory production can control it but they wont so that imperfections wont show as much.


len....You exported a superbird to the UK?..thats awsome..a friend of mine has 1 of 15 made 71 440 6 pak Charger R/T. that he picked up in Germany while inthe military....this car is an origional survivor...I asked himwhat he wanted for it and he said "I MIGHT trade for a superbird or Daytona, but its gonna be a rotecerrie (sp?) restoration car"

What other Mopars have you exported? Have you contated Galen Goviar about them?

 

When you are building/painting 40 or so vehicles per hour...you don't have 100% control of anything. The only "intentional" orange peel is the ruberized chip guard material down low on some rockers and even that isn't intentional...it's just that its nearly impossible to spray that stuff and not get it.

 

I know I am gonna get it for saying this and I pray that Joe doesn't read this post......that being said I had a black '98 Hyundai and it had one of the best paint jobs on it. Of course I wasn't as **** with that car as I am with Tomas, but it really did have a great paint job for a black car. Like any black car it didn't stay clean for more then 15 minutes and showed swirl marks like crazy.

 

She's had the thing 9 months, and all-of-a-sudden NOW it's got a "crappy paint job"??!?! Whatever.....

 

The rest of the story... Most of that car was on its third paint job!

As for mentioning the H-word on this board, we'll discuss your punishment later! :eek

Of course, how can she be an expert of anything?! She drives a Hyundai fer cryin' out loud!?!?

-Joe-

 

Ya know, I really like GIJoeCam. He's able to give us the 'inside scoop' on what's really going on up there in Michigan.

Skagel, you can run but you can't hide..... LOL!


RP

 

the dreaded H car might be a cheap lil rice box but what would you rather see ruined in the michigan salt a new ford or an H car?? for some reason though that darn H car never seems to rust.

 

Dumb question... A new Ford. The more new Fords I see rusting on Michigan roads, the better my chances of getting a profit sharing check next April. (I work for the company... duuuuh!)

You can't see it because it has about 300 lbs of spray undercoating inside the body panels and on the undercarriage. She put another layer on every 6 months regardless of the fact that there was already 10 layers on it. Now, if you scraped off an inch or two of undercoating, I assure you, there was rust.

-Joe-

 

How else am I supposed to keep the darn thing from flying away....the car weighs nothing and lord knows I don't weigh enough to keep it on the road.

 

ok, ya got me there, make that money!!!!

 

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