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Old 01-20-2003 | 10:54 PM
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I need to develop a system to deal with all of the heim joints in my rear suspension. They rattle and are hard to keep clean and lubricated. So, I need to come up with some kind of protective boots. Does anyone make those (wait, that would be too easy)?

The green joints could use something like a tie rod end boot, with a hole cut for the threaded shaft. The red joints will need to be open in three places.

The problem with the red joints are that when the bar moves around, the outer edge of the heim hits the surrounding metal, making a clatter. I think the play in the heims themselves also makes a little noise as the load moves up and down the shaft. Finally, all of the heims can hit the adjacent washers. When I go over a rough surface at low speeds, I hear lots of little clicks and clacks back there. On very steep angles, I also hear some sharp pops, but I think that these are from hard points.

Full rubber boots would not only prevent the outer edge of the heims from clicking against the surrounding metal (or washers), but would also muffle the clicking from lateral movement.

Someone suggested inner tube and zip ties (presumably shot full of grease with a needle), but I'm hoping for a more elegant solution.

Any ideas? Someone just has to make a solution for this.
 
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Old 01-20-2003 | 11:01 PM
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Contact your local Snap On tool guy and buy some 3/8 ths air ratchet protective heads. They will not only look good, but they come in different colors.
 
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Old 01-20-2003 | 11:19 PM
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I know on our Dirt race car we use 1/4 to 3/8 inch spacers to prevent the nut from hitting the heim and lets the heim move about freely.If that is any help.

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Old 01-20-2003 | 11:38 PM
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Whassamatter Tim?

My suggestion of bicycle inner tube sections, grease & zip ties not slick enough for your truck?

OK Ok, I agree it's pretty low rent and doesn't come close to the (Porsche) standards of quality your striving for. But it is fairly effective at reducing the squeeks, pops, and rattles these heim joint are making.

It's almost a sure bet that someone here will come up with a better idea/solution.


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Old 01-20-2003 | 11:47 PM
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Re: Whassamatter Tim?

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My low rent suggestion of bicycle inner tube sections, grease & zip ties not slick enough for your truck? . . .
Hey, brother, if that's all I can come up with, I'll do it in a second. I'm just hoping that there's some purpose-built solution out there somewhere.
 
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Old 01-21-2003 | 12:05 AM
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How about the boots used on this type of motorcycle shifter?

http://www.thesabregroup.com/mods/shiftlink/
 
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Old 01-21-2003 | 12:14 AM
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Originally posted by Edward
How about the boots used on this type of motorcycle shifter?

http://www.thesabregroup.com/mods/shiftlink/

Exactly! Now I just need to find some in the right size.
 
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Old 01-21-2003 | 12:20 AM
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Give the man a

Now that's just what we need. Beats the mess out of the bicycle tube idea...

I believe we need them to fit a 1/2" heim joint.

Anybody have any ideas where to get them from?


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Old 01-21-2003 | 02:21 AM
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I know they make what you want, I have seen them but right now I can't come up with a name. Try the circle track or road race scene. If all else fails go the the dirt bike shop and look at the seals they have on the shock hiem joints. If I remember right it is some purdy wizzy stuff.
Dale
PS maybe try some drag race chassis shops, I'm thinkin Mark Williams ????
 
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Old 01-21-2003 | 04:27 AM
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How come those h-joints dont have grease fittings on them???

Nice suspension setup!!!
 
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Old 01-21-2003 | 04:31 AM
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Stabilizer bar ends...I have a question, is that panhard bar adjusted right..I would think it would be parallel at ride height...Or do you have it on a lift???
 
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Old 01-21-2003 | 06:49 AM
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Tim, that is a hot set-up
 
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Old 01-21-2003 | 08:29 AM
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you need the teflon lines stuff from FK

see http://www.fkrodends.com/precision/precision.html

it's the only thing that stays tight on the racecar R.J. Hughes Sales, Inc. 630-325-2334
 

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Old 01-21-2003 | 08:51 AM
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Tim what yo need is made by a company that markets seal ends under 'seals it' on the bar there should already be one set.As for using teflon that works but you still have the dirt getting into the joint and wearing it out.The sels it s' come in sizes from 1/4 to 3/4 but there is no way to lube them just seals the end.Stan
 
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Old 01-21-2003 | 10:31 AM
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Originally posted by Mach1
Stabilizer bar ends...I have a question, is that panhard bar adjusted right..I would think it would be parallel at ride height...Or do you have it on a lift???
It is on a lift. It is essentially horizontal on level ground.
 


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