MP blower or Apten ported eaton?
#1
#2
The Apten gives you half the hp at one-third the initial cost. But the MP will give you larger increases per mod. By the time you pass the 450 hp mark, the MP starts to become a bargain.
Stock up to 450 hp - Ported Eaton is hard to beat
450hp - 575 hp MP can do it for less
575+hp - KB or Works rule the street
Race oriented - Centrifugal SC builds hi boost efficiently
Big budget, big results - Turbo
Stock up to 450 hp - Ported Eaton is hard to beat
450hp - 575 hp MP can do it for less
575+hp - KB or Works rule the street
Race oriented - Centrifugal SC builds hi boost efficiently
Big budget, big results - Turbo
#5
Apten
The Apten porting significantly weakens the supercharger casing resulting in significant flex. This flexing reduces supercharger expected life to about 50K depending on pulleys used.
If it was that easy to grind some material off and get easy HP the engineers who designed the blower would have done it in the first place.
TB
If it was that easy to grind some material off and get easy HP the engineers who designed the blower would have done it in the first place.
TB
#6
Re: Apten
Originally posted by TrackBeast
The Apten porting significantly weakens the supercharger casing resulting in significant flex. This flexing reduces supercharger expected life to about 50K depending on pulleys used.
If it was that easy to grind some material off and get easy HP the engineers who designed the blower would have done it in the first place.
TB
The Apten porting significantly weakens the supercharger casing resulting in significant flex. This flexing reduces supercharger expected life to about 50K depending on pulleys used.
If it was that easy to grind some material off and get easy HP the engineers who designed the blower would have done it in the first place.
TB
#7
Re: Apten
Originally posted by TrackBeast
The Apten porting significantly weakens the supercharger casing resulting in significant flex. This flexing reduces supercharger expected life to about 50K depending on pulleys used.
If it was that easy to grind some material off and get easy HP the engineers who designed the blower would have done it in the first place.
TB
The Apten porting significantly weakens the supercharger casing resulting in significant flex. This flexing reduces supercharger expected life to about 50K depending on pulleys used.
If it was that easy to grind some material off and get easy HP the engineers who designed the blower would have done it in the first place.
TB
Apten stated when others started copying his design they warned that copycats may have a weaker case. They tested and tested multiple designs to find the best one, they didn't just hack one up and throw it on the engine.
I trust Brian at Apten and I'm confident that his design will SIGNIFICANTLY WEAKEN THE CASE, resulting in significant flex.
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#8
Re: Apten
Originally posted by TrackBeast
The Apten porting significantly weakens the supercharger casing resulting in significant flex. This flexing reduces supercharger expected life to about 50K depending on pulleys used.
If it was that easy to grind some material off and get easy HP the engineers who designed the blower would have done it in the first place.
TB
The Apten porting significantly weakens the supercharger casing resulting in significant flex. This flexing reduces supercharger expected life to about 50K depending on pulleys used.
If it was that easy to grind some material off and get easy HP the engineers who designed the blower would have done it in the first place.
TB
im sure it does weaken the case but i doubt very much it will effect longevity in a major way.
Ive seen proof over and over about the gains of the apten port job.Lets see your proof for your bogus statement.......i didnt think so.How in your mind can you even put a mile marker on how long or short it will last? You cannot.so i guess if the eaton is good for 300k miles than only gettting 250k out of it wont really matter .....
I think someone has blower envy.
"your didi is bigger than mine but i know how to use it" kinda statement.........
#10
Re: Re: Apten
Originally posted by l-menace
I trust Brian at Apten and I'm confident that his design will SIGNIFICANTLY WEAKEN THE CASE, resulting in significant flex.
I trust Brian at Apten and I'm confident that his design will SIGNIFICANTLY WEAKEN THE CASE, resulting in significant flex.
#11
I don't know about Brian, but Apten opened up a second shop or moved into a new building.
During the group purchase I called and spoke with HOPE who had me send the $$$ to one office and the blower to their other shop.
I know apten uses SCT, and that Brian and Jerry are friends, becuase I was talking to Brian about chip tuning and I told him Jerry was going to do it and he said that he (brian) is friends with Jerry and would send him all the vectors of the porting. (or something like that) and that was in January.
During the group purchase I called and spoke with HOPE who had me send the $$$ to one office and the blower to their other shop.
I know apten uses SCT, and that Brian and Jerry are friends, becuase I was talking to Brian about chip tuning and I told him Jerry was going to do it and he said that he (brian) is friends with Jerry and would send him all the vectors of the porting. (or something like that) and that was in January.
#12
Originally posted by l-menace
I don't know about Brian, but Apten opened up a second shop or moved into a new building.
During the group purchase I called and spoke with HOPE who had me send the $$$ to one office and the blower to their other shop.
I know apten uses SCT, and that Brian and Jerry are friends, becuase I was talking to Brian about chip tuning and I told him Jerry was going to do it and he said that he (brian) is friends with Jerry and would send him all the vectors of the porting. (or something like that) and that was in January.
I don't know about Brian, but Apten opened up a second shop or moved into a new building.
During the group purchase I called and spoke with HOPE who had me send the $$$ to one office and the blower to their other shop.
I know apten uses SCT, and that Brian and Jerry are friends, becuase I was talking to Brian about chip tuning and I told him Jerry was going to do it and he said that he (brian) is friends with Jerry and would send him all the vectors of the porting. (or something like that) and that was in January.
#13
Re: Re: Apten
Originally posted by grinomyte
hmmm, while i wont argue with the porting causing extra flex, not because i agree but because i simply don't know, but the MP from my understanding is just a different case around the same rotor pack, how come engineers didnt just make a better case? I don't think the logic works that way.
hmmm, while i wont argue with the porting causing extra flex, not because i agree but because i simply don't know, but the MP from my understanding is just a different case around the same rotor pack, how come engineers didnt just make a better case? I don't think the logic works that way.
All I can tell you is that an Apten modified blower was sent to Eaton and the engineers out of curiosity did an evaluation of it.
I don't sell anything and I don't care if you do it or not. I am just sharing information which I thought could be usefull to some that may be concerned with long term reliability.
If some don't agree with it that's fine. I doesn't bother me.
Regards,
TB
#14
Originally posted by LOCOSVT
The Apten gives you half the hp at one-third the initial cost. But the MP will give you larger increases per mod. By the time you pass the 450 hp mark, the MP starts to become a bargain.
Stock up to 450 hp - Ported Eaton is hard to beat
450hp - 575 hp MP can do it for less
575+hp - KB or Works rule the street
Race oriented - Centrifugal SC builds hi boost efficiently
Big budget, big results - Turbo
The Apten gives you half the hp at one-third the initial cost. But the MP will give you larger increases per mod. By the time you pass the 450 hp mark, the MP starts to become a bargain.
Stock up to 450 hp - Ported Eaton is hard to beat
450hp - 575 hp MP can do it for less
575+hp - KB or Works rule the street
Race oriented - Centrifugal SC builds hi boost efficiently
Big budget, big results - Turbo
Made the first run with the MP today.
Only got one run and I got flagged. But it appears the MP will fall in between the KB and the PE in price and performance.
FF
#15
The answer is simply that the engineers were given targets for their design and they met them. That includes flow, target power levels,longevity and of course cost.
All I can tell you is that an Apten modified blower was sent to Eaton and the engineers out of curiosity did an evaluation of it.
I don't sell anything and I don't care if you do it or not. I am just sharing information which I thought could be usefull to some that may be concerned with long term reliability.
If some don't agree with it that's fine. I doesn't bother me.
Regards,
TB
All I can tell you is that an Apten modified blower was sent to Eaton and the engineers out of curiosity did an evaluation of it.
I don't sell anything and I don't care if you do it or not. I am just sharing information which I thought could be usefull to some that may be concerned with long term reliability.
If some don't agree with it that's fine. I doesn't bother me.
Regards,
TB
This is how it has always been in the automotive manufacturing business. You don't get ported heads on your car from the factory, yet there is significant room for improvment. There are several reasons why products come out the way they do. The two most significant in this case are based on the scope of product use (8psi) and the costs to manufacture.
Would eaton spend the time to do an engineering evaluation on an Apten blower? No way, whoever told you that was feeding you BS. Perhaps you mean Magnuson, the authorized eaton distributor? They also design their own cases, and they are well aware that there is room for performance improvments over the eaton case, without sacroficing durability or life if done right. At least, that's what one of their employees told me personally at PRI.
I am now in Florida, and Apten has moved to Cincinnati. But Apten is still using the same facility to do the supercharger porting with the same experienced individuals running the machines. Their quality is still the same, and with the products they are developing I can only see things continuing to improve.
Brian