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Old 05-07-2004 | 05:02 PM
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Will a pan hard bar help?

Under road racing conditions at a moderate steady turn at 80mph or so, if I apply the brakes moderately the rear end likes to swing out. How much will the pan hard bar help ? Or is this more an issue of the poor weight distribution for the lightning?

Here is what i have

Roush suspension
2 inch belltech shackles
shock extenders
 
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Old 05-07-2004 | 08:49 PM
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What do you mean exactly by "swing out?"

If you are talking about oversteer, I would not think that the PHB would help much. If anything, as I understand its effects on roll center, the Ruslow PHB will contribute to oversteer (which, for most front-heavy trucks, is not a bad thing).

The PHB is to steady the axle so that the rear doesn't get squirrely in transitions and so the geometry doesn't get blasted out on high-G turns.

If it is oversteer, there are any number of things that can be done to correct that. Some more detail would help.

Also, your best bet would be the road racing forum at NLOC.
 
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Old 05-07-2004 | 10:15 PM
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Tim,

It is oversteer like you stated. What other info do you need? What steps are available to correct oversteer? I am sure that weight relocation is one
 
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Old 05-07-2004 | 10:58 PM
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Tim,

It is oversteer like you stated. What other info do you need? What steps are available to correct oversteer? I am sure that weight relocation is one
I don't have any personal experience, because my Hotchkis-equipped L has always understeered. I have never had the rear come out at any speed, even with the panhard.

Understeer/oversteer is a super complicated subject, but there is a ton of info out there.

The first place to start is tire pressure. Run some more in the rear and see how it feels.

Maybe the Hotchkis anti-sways that I run account for some of the difference between our trucks. It's an expensive experiment, but they will help the handling anyway.

Here's a nice summary that I stole from the Web:

DECREASE UNDERSTEER..... CORRECTION.....DECREASE OVERSTEER

higher pressure........................tire pressure - front......................lower pressure

larger contact area....................tire section - front...............smaller contact area

more negative.........................wheel camber - front.......................more positive

softer............................................ springs - front.........................................stif fer

thinner (softer).............................sway bar - front.........................thicker (stiffer)

larger...........................................s poiler - front.......................................smalle r

lower pressure.........................tire pressure - rear.....................higher pressure

smaller contact area.................tire section - rear..................larger contact area

more positive.........................wheel camber - rear......................more negative

stiffer........................................... .springs - rear.........................................softe r

thicker (stiffer).............................sway bar - rear.........................thinner (softer)

smaller..........................................s poiler - rear........................................larger

weight bias rearward................weight distribution..............weight bias forward
 



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