Panhard Bar worth it for daily driver?
#47
01-19-2005 | 02:55 AM
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Tim,
I started typing this hoping to add more insight, but it's an involved topic. So, instead of attempting to write a synopsis for a chapter of a book, here's an abbreviated response.
There much more involved than just the bolt, which is where the engineering analysis becomes important. Without re-reading C. Smith's books, it's reasonable to surmise that one of the reasons (there are a multitude) why single shear connections are bad is the load that the bolt place on the part it's attached to, and so on. This is the engineering analysis that must be considered.
In short, the mount and what the mount is attached to, how it's attached, along with the material, are very important items to consider. In some case, those items could govern the design instead of the bolt.
Feel free to call me. I would be able to "splain" it over the phone better. Then you could add some information to your site which could be beneficial to others.
I started typing this hoping to add more insight, but it's an involved topic. So, instead of attempting to write a synopsis for a chapter of a book, here's an abbreviated response.
There much more involved than just the bolt, which is where the engineering analysis becomes important. Without re-reading C. Smith's books, it's reasonable to surmise that one of the reasons (there are a multitude) why single shear connections are bad is the load that the bolt place on the part it's attached to, and so on. This is the engineering analysis that must be considered.
In short, the mount and what the mount is attached to, how it's attached, along with the material, are very important items to consider. In some case, those items could govern the design instead of the bolt.
Feel free to call me. I would be able to "splain" it over the phone better. Then you could add some information to your site which could be beneficial to others.
#48
01-19-2005 | 12:23 PM
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Originally posted by Spike Engineering
Tim,
I started typing this hoping to add more insight, but it's an involved topic. So, instead of attempting to write a synopsis for a chapter of a book, here's an abbreviated response.
There much more involved than just the bolt, which is where the engineering analysis becomes important. Without re-reading C. Smith's books, it's reasonable to surmise that one of the reasons (there are a multitude) why single shear connections are bad is the load that the bolt place on the part it's attached to, and so on. This is the engineering analysis that must be considered.
In short, the mount and what the mount is attached to, how it's attached, along with the material, are very important items to consider. In some case, those items could govern the design instead of the bolt.
Feel free to call me. I would be able to "splain" it over the phone better. Then you could add some information to your site which could be beneficial to others.
Tim,
I started typing this hoping to add more insight, but it's an involved topic. So, instead of attempting to write a synopsis for a chapter of a book, here's an abbreviated response.
There much more involved than just the bolt, which is where the engineering analysis becomes important. Without re-reading C. Smith's books, it's reasonable to surmise that one of the reasons (there are a multitude) why single shear connections are bad is the load that the bolt place on the part it's attached to, and so on. This is the engineering analysis that must be considered.
In short, the mount and what the mount is attached to, how it's attached, along with the material, are very important items to consider. In some case, those items could govern the design instead of the bolt.
Feel free to call me. I would be able to "splain" it over the phone better. Then you could add some information to your site which could be beneficial to others.
#49
01-19-2005 | 04:33 PM
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#50
01-20-2005 | 03:25 AM
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Since it's back on topic to the PB, the existing leaf spring rear suspension in the Lighting already carries the entire lateral load. Any device that locates the rear axle will only carry a portion of the load if the suspension deflects laterally. Structurally, it's indeterminate, but can be calculated by hand using energy theorems if you were able to gonkulate the lateral load capacity of the existing system. If I cared enough, it would be a fun exercise, but...
To make a long story short, it would be a lot of wasted brain energy to calculated an optimum double shear connection for this bar because it's not carrying the entire lateral load that a 3 link rear suspension (for example) would require.
Stan,
What's the deal with the MKM event at California Speedway. Was it canceled or is it in limbo.
To make a long story short, it would be a lot of wasted brain energy to calculated an optimum double shear connection for this bar because it's not carrying the entire lateral load that a 3 link rear suspension (for example) would require.
Stan,
What's the deal with the MKM event at California Speedway. Was it canceled or is it in limbo.
#51
01-20-2005 | 03:27 AM
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From: NorCal
Since it's back on topic to the PB, the existing leaf spring rear suspension in the Lighting already carries the entire lateral load. Any device that locates the rear axle will only carry a portion of the load if the suspension deflects laterally. Structurally, it's indeterminate, but can be calculated by hand using energy theorems if you were able to gonkulate the lateral load capacity of the existing system. If I cared enough, it would be a fun exercise, but...
To make a long story short, it would be a lot of wasted brain energy to calculated an optimum double shear connection for this bar because it's not carrying the entire lateral load that a 3 link rear suspension (for example) would require.
Stan,
What's the deal with the MKM event at California Speedway. Was it canceled or is it in limbo.
To make a long story short, it would be a lot of wasted brain energy to calculated an optimum double shear connection for this bar because it's not carrying the entire lateral load that a 3 link rear suspension (for example) would require.
Stan,
What's the deal with the MKM event at California Speedway. Was it canceled or is it in limbo.