roll cage question. (do rules require)...
#168
Originally posted by fomocofan
... 75 idiots out here that probably can't even read let alone
pick up a rulebook and make sense out of it, telling me i'm
wrong...and they dont even know why.....other than they are
Sal's kiss-a$$ customers defending his fat a$$!!
... 75 idiots out here that probably can't even read let alone
pick up a rulebook and make sense out of it, telling me i'm
wrong...and they dont even know why.....other than they are
Sal's kiss-a$$ customers defending his fat a$$!!
Ouch !!! Getting kinda personal aren't we? What's the size of
Sal's posterior have to do with the rulebook? You might just
wanna back off calling 75 people "idiots", but that's your call ...
BTW ... I went a step farther to clarify this ... I contacted
someone at IHRA and am awaiting a reply ...
#170
Originally posted by Neal
HI!...
Another free post in the MORON of the year thread.......
HI!...
Another free post in the MORON of the year thread.......
#172
Originally posted by fomocofan
I have to keep posting it 75 times, because i have 75 idiots out here that probably can't even read let alone pick up a rulebook and make sense out of it, telling me i'm wrong...and they dont even know why.....other than they are Sal's kiss-a$$ customers defending his fat a$$!!
I have to keep posting it 75 times, because i have 75 idiots out here that probably can't even read let alone pick up a rulebook and make sense out of it, telling me i'm wrong...and they dont even know why.....other than they are Sal's kiss-a$$ customers defending his fat a$$!!
Getting a little frustrated Jamie? That's what happens when you are wrong for 12 pages and won't admit it. I don't see 75 idiots, I see 75 people with intellegence and one idiot who doesn't know how to read a rulebook.
As for "customers", I see nobody defending me as a business. As a matter of fact, nobody is defending me at all. People just know you are wrong, and are trying to tell you why just like I am. You may notice that none of "your vendors" customers have come on here to defend what you are saying like they normally would, because they ALSO know you are wrong!
As for the personal attacks, you might want to watch what you say or you might end up with my "fat a$$" fist shoved down your pie hole.
#173
This is the most moronic post I've seen in a while, on any forum. I can't believe there's 18 pages of this bickering. Let this dude show up at the track without his rear bars and get kicked out, if that's what the rules dictate. Who cares!
#174
I would like to see someone do exactly that (showing up at the track without the rear bars). That would put the WHOLE thing to rest.
I think the original question from L-Menace stems from the fact that, on a very fast truck that is also a daily driver, the rear bars are a pain.
IF the stucture were sound enough without the bars and it were legal to run 10s (or whatever) without the bars, it would make the truck easier to live with. I, for on, would like to keep my hard bed cover for security in mine daily use - the rear bars would kill that. However, if I ever get my truck fast enough to NEED the rear bars, I would want them there for the safety aspect - EVEN IF THEY ARE REQUIRED BY THE RULES.
The whole argument about bars, vs. cage, vs. run once, vs whatever is stupid. It all boils down to this...
If the sticky side sees the sun, will you live to race again?!?!
Herb
I think the original question from L-Menace stems from the fact that, on a very fast truck that is also a daily driver, the rear bars are a pain.
IF the stucture were sound enough without the bars and it were legal to run 10s (or whatever) without the bars, it would make the truck easier to live with. I, for on, would like to keep my hard bed cover for security in mine daily use - the rear bars would kill that. However, if I ever get my truck fast enough to NEED the rear bars, I would want them there for the safety aspect - EVEN IF THEY ARE REQUIRED BY THE RULES.
The whole argument about bars, vs. cage, vs. run once, vs whatever is stupid. It all boils down to this...
If the sticky side sees the sun, will you live to race again?!?!
Herb
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Originally posted by fomocofan
. . . You really are a smart man...LOL!!!
. . . You really are a smart man...LOL!!!
Is the image included in the 2005 IHRA rulebook?
#176
Originally posted by fullboogie
This is the most moronic post I've seen in a while, on any forum. I can't believe there's 18 pages of this bickering. Let this dude show up at the track without his rear bars and get kicked out, if that's what the rules dictate. Who cares!
This is the most moronic post I've seen in a while, on any forum. I can't believe there's 18 pages of this bickering. Let this dude show up at the track without his rear bars and get kicked out, if that's what the rules dictate. Who cares!
I can't speak for Jamie, but I think the point he is trying to make is that he feels technically, no rear bracing is required in IHRA since the book doesn't refer to the rear bracing specifically.
I am thinking IHRA may have simply left the words, rear bracing, off by mistake in the 2005 book, since they show a picture of the cage with rear bracing.
Rocks
#177
Originally posted by Tim Skelton
Smart enough to realize that you are still avoiding the question --
Is the image included in the 2005 IHRA rulebook?
Smart enough to realize that you are still avoiding the question --
Is the image included in the 2005 IHRA rulebook?
"The image above from your website does appear in the 2005 IHRA rulebook with the same writting except for a line about the cross brace diameter!
That image in no way implies that that is the ONLY way a roll bar is to be constructed!
The rules do not refer to the illustration for further desciption of said bar.
No where does it say that the roll bar must look as pictured!"
So the IHRA does have the same picture, but he now says you don't have to listen to the picture because the rules don't specifially say you have to design as per the picture. Can this get any more retarted?
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Originally posted by 03LightninRocks
. . . I can't speak for Jamie, but I think the point he is trying to make is that he feels technically, no rear bracing is required in IHRA since the book doesn't refer to the rear bracing specifically. . . .
. . . I can't speak for Jamie, but I think the point he is trying to make is that he feels technically, no rear bracing is required in IHRA since the book doesn't refer to the rear bracing specifically. . . .
Jamie conceded that rear bars are required in NHRA. He conceded this before I bought to his attention that there was any difference (or similarity) in the wording between NHRA and IHRA (assuming that there really is). Yet the NHRA rules do not specifically state that a rear bar is required either. So there is no basis to say that one does and the other doesn't.
My point on the elimination of the word "rear" (which I still don't believe, but will be finding out the truth soon enough) was that it is just as easy to assume that elimination of that word was to signify that all braces must be the same size tubing as the main hoop.
Let's say that the rules said that "rear tires must have 1/4" of tread." Then then rules were revised to just say "tires must have 1/4" of tread." Would you assume that rear tires were no longer required -- or would you assume that the fronts must now also have 1/4"?
#179
Here's an idea. Why don't one of you call each of these sanctioning bodies and ask them? Who would know better than the tech folks at NHRA & IHRA. Obviously this thread is doing nobody any good and is making enemies between two really nice guys. Seems to me this would be an end all or something.
#180
Originally posted by LightningTuner
WHOA, hold the phone.
Getting a little frustrated Jamie? That's what happens when you are wrong for 12 pages and won't admit it. I don't see 75 idiots, I see 75 people with intellegence and one idiot who doesn't know how to read a rulebook.
As for "customers", I see nobody defending me as a business. As a matter of fact, nobody is defending me at all. People just know you are wrong, and are trying to tell you why just like I am. You may notice that none of "your vendors" customers have come on here to defend what you are saying like they normally would, because they ALSO know you are wrong!
As for the personal attacks, you might want to watch what you say or you might end up with my "fat a$$" fist shoved down your pie hole.
WHOA, hold the phone.
Getting a little frustrated Jamie? That's what happens when you are wrong for 12 pages and won't admit it. I don't see 75 idiots, I see 75 people with intellegence and one idiot who doesn't know how to read a rulebook.
As for "customers", I see nobody defending me as a business. As a matter of fact, nobody is defending me at all. People just know you are wrong, and are trying to tell you why just like I am. You may notice that none of "your vendors" customers have come on here to defend what you are saying like they normally would, because they ALSO know you are wrong!
As for the personal attacks, you might want to watch what you say or you might end up with my "fat a$$" fist shoved down your pie hole.
I give you first shot, then I'll have the last!