roll cage question. (do rules require)...
#181
02-11-2005 | 12:45 PM
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Originally posted by 03LightninRocks
That may be part of what is irratating to Sal, Jamie has a roll bar with the bracing going to the rear.
I can't speak for Jamie, but I think the point he is trying to make is that he feels technically, no rear bracing is required in IHRA since the book doesn't refer to the rear bracing specifically.
I am thinking IHRA may have simply left the words, rear bracing, off by mistake in the 2005 book, since they show a picture of the cage with rear bracing.
Rocks
That may be part of what is irratating to Sal, Jamie has a roll bar with the bracing going to the rear.
I can't speak for Jamie, but I think the point he is trying to make is that he feels technically, no rear bracing is required in IHRA since the book doesn't refer to the rear bracing specifically.
I am thinking IHRA may have simply left the words, rear bracing, off by mistake in the 2005 book, since they show a picture of the cage with rear bracing.
Rocks
ATTA boy Ron!
That's all I was trying to say, IHRA omitted the word REAR for some reason...My interpretation on that is that it then means that rear bars specifically are not required!
#182
02-11-2005 | 12:46 PM
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From: Maine
Originally posted by LightningTuner
Tim, he did answer the question on the last page:
"The image above from your website does appear in the 2005 IHRA rulebook with the same writting except for a line about the cross brace diameter!
That image in no way implies that that is the ONLY way a roll bar is to be constructed!
The rules do not refer to the illustration for further desciption of said bar.
No where does it say that the roll bar must look as pictured!"
So the IHRA does have the same picture, but he now says you don't have to listen to the picture because the rules don't specifially say you have to design as per the picture. Can this get any more retarted?
Tim, he did answer the question on the last page:
"The image above from your website does appear in the 2005 IHRA rulebook with the same writting except for a line about the cross brace diameter!
That image in no way implies that that is the ONLY way a roll bar is to be constructed!
The rules do not refer to the illustration for further desciption of said bar.
No where does it say that the roll bar must look as pictured!"
So the IHRA does have the same picture, but he now says you don't have to listen to the picture because the rules don't specifially say you have to design as per the picture. Can this get any more retarted?
#184
02-11-2005 | 12:51 PM
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Originally posted by fomocofan
That's all I was trying to say, IHRA omitted the word REAR for some reason...My interpretation on that is that it then means that rear bars specifically are not required!
That's all I was trying to say, IHRA omitted the word REAR for some reason...My interpretation on that is that it then means that rear bars specifically are not required!
#185
02-11-2005 | 12:56 PM
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From: Maine
Originally posted by LightningTuner
Tim, he did answer the question on the last page:
"The image above from your website does appear in the 2005 IHRA rulebook with the same writting except for a line about the cross brace diameter!
That image in no way implies that that is the ONLY way a roll bar is to be constructed!
The rules do not refer to the illustration for further desciption of said bar.
No where does it say that the roll bar must look as pictured!"
So the IHRA does have the same picture, but he now says you don't have to listen to the picture because the rules don't specifially say you have to design as per the picture. Can this get any more retarted?
Tim, he did answer the question on the last page:
"The image above from your website does appear in the 2005 IHRA rulebook with the same writting except for a line about the cross brace diameter!
That image in no way implies that that is the ONLY way a roll bar is to be constructed!
The rules do not refer to the illustration for further desciption of said bar.
No where does it say that the roll bar must look as pictured!"
So the IHRA does have the same picture, but he now says you don't have to listen to the picture because the rules don't specifially say you have to design as per the picture. Can this get any more retarted?
Furthermore, the picture or words in it do not supercede or in any way say anything different than the written section of the rules pertaining to roll bars!
If the picture were intended to add additional information to the rules, there would be a note in the rules saying this!
Sal, I think you said NHRA did refer to the pic for further description...that I would accept, but again, as you can plainly see IHRA does things different!
I think IHRA is aware of NHRA's rules and they are obviously making a point of having a different ruling here!
Again, I will concede that NHRA seems to "imply" that rear bars are required....that would be a hard case even for me to defend...BUT, IHRA in no way implys that rear bars are required...becuase they go out of there way to call them simply braces!
#186
02-11-2005 | 01:01 PM
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Originally posted by LightningTuner
Ah, but see that's the problem. It's YOUR interpretation. That does not mean you are right.
Ah, but see that's the problem. It's YOUR interpretation. That does not mean you are right.
I never claimed to be "right"...I simply said that I was not wrong, as I was only going by what IHRA says in there rulebook!
If you hadn't jumped all over me for "giving bad advice" and being wrong, and just let me state what IHRA says...becuase after all, that's what this thread was about... I-menace asked what the rulebook said, none of this "bickering" would have happened!
#187
02-11-2005 | 01:02 PM
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From: Maine
Originally posted by dealerjim
Hank Blankenship
IHRA Regional Tech Director
Phone: 276-531-8654
Hank Blankenship
IHRA Regional Tech Director
Phone: 276-531-8654
Let me just say, I could care less about being right or wrong...I have been both before....But it would be nice to get a clarification on this rule!
#189
02-11-2005 | 01:54 PM
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Originally posted by fomocofan
Sal, thanks for spoiling my fun...I was gonna see how many times he asked me that before he realized it...how stupid is that??
Sal, thanks for spoiling my fun...I was gonna see how many times he asked me that before he realized it...how stupid is that??
I'm not even going to bother firing back. It's just too easy.
#190
02-11-2005 | 01:58 PM
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Originally posted by Tim Skelton
Stupid? No. Inattentive? Maybe. My brain was obviously shutting down as a self-defense mechanism against the assault of your mindless, incoherent, and internally inconsistent blather.
I'm not even going to bother firing back. It's just too easy.
Stupid? No. Inattentive? Maybe. My brain was obviously shutting down as a self-defense mechanism against the assault of your mindless, incoherent, and internally inconsistent blather.
I'm not even going to bother firing back. It's just too easy.
Hmmm...if i'm all that..then why are you spending so much time here with me?
Are you waiting for me to bend over?
Timmy.....Shame on you!
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#191
02-11-2005 | 02:06 PM
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Originally posted by LightningTuner
So you could care less about being right or wrong?
That's nice to know when you are giving people advice that can kill them. At least you are safe with the correct bar in YOUR truck.
So you could care less about being right or wrong?
That's nice to know when you are giving people advice that can kill them. At least you are safe with the correct bar in YOUR truck.
Besides that you are not an engineer and YOU cannot tell me or anyone whether or not my idea is as safe/safer/ or less safe than the norm!
I am saying that YOU have no place telling me I am wrong in either my qoute of the rules or my idea for a bar that meets the rules as I see them..
I would accept an answer from either IHRA or an engineer respectively...but NOT YOU!
You, in fact "interpreted" the rules aswell....and were wrong!!
There is no 30 degree rule for roll bars nor is there a 30 degree rule on a cage in IHRA!
I guess it's ok for you to be wrong, though, huh?
#192
02-11-2005 | 02:29 PM
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Move along, nothing to see here!
This thread got real ugly, real quick. If you have questions about the legality of a certain roll bar/cage, contact the governing body of the races that you will be attending.
Then post your results for everyone on here to benefit from.
Thanks!
This thread got real ugly, real quick. If you have questions about the legality of a certain roll bar/cage, contact the governing body of the races that you will be attending.
Then post your results for everyone on here to benefit from.
Thanks!