roll cage question. (do rules require)...
#61
02-10-2005, 04:14 PM
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Originally posted by fomocofan
Your first mistake was by going by second hand information!
My info comes directly from the IHRA rulebook.
Info off "joe Blow" chassis builders website isn't gospel!
The 30 degree ROLL CAGE rule only applys to seat upright braces on front engine dragsters!!
You cannot take a rule out of context from a section on roll cages and apply it to a roll bar!!
The rules on roll bars are very vague, and yes an inspector can fail a car for not meeting the rules, but an inspector cannot fail a car for rules that are NOT in the book!!!
Your first mistake was by going by second hand information!
My info comes directly from the IHRA rulebook.
Info off "joe Blow" chassis builders website isn't gospel!
The 30 degree ROLL CAGE rule only applys to seat upright braces on front engine dragsters!!
You cannot take a rule out of context from a section on roll cages and apply it to a roll bar!!
The rules on roll bars are very vague, and yes an inspector can fail a car for not meeting the rules, but an inspector cannot fail a car for rules that are NOT in the book!!!
#63
02-10-2005, 04:16 PM
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Originally posted by zbornac
Check the title of the thread chief. We have been talking about cages the whole time.
-Kimball
Check the title of the thread chief. We have been talking about cages the whole time.
-Kimball
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02-10-2005, 04:23 PM
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Originally posted by LightningTuner
Actaully that is completely untrue. The NHRA rules state the rear bars must be no less than 30 degrees from the main hoop. That is why on a standard cab truck, you have to go out the rear window. There is no room to stay over a 30 degree angle and still have it inside the cab. If you had crew cab truck like an HD truck, you could probably get away with because of all the extra in cab space behind the driver.
The reason you need the rear bars in the first place, is because the main hoop must be supported against forward and rearward collapse. Having rear bars under a 30 degree angle puts you at a great risk for not enough support against rear ward collapse.
Actaully that is completely untrue. The NHRA rules state the rear bars must be no less than 30 degrees from the main hoop. That is why on a standard cab truck, you have to go out the rear window. There is no room to stay over a 30 degree angle and still have it inside the cab. If you had crew cab truck like an HD truck, you could probably get away with because of all the extra in cab space behind the driver.
The reason you need the rear bars in the first place, is because the main hoop must be supported against forward and rearward collapse. Having rear bars under a 30 degree angle puts you at a great risk for not enough support against rear ward collapse.
You say I am wrong because of the 30 degree rule...
Where is that in the rule book??
My point is here Sal, there is no 30 degree rule for a roll bar OR roll cage so I guess that means I am not wrong and therefore you are wrong!
I haven't seen anything where you qouted anything about a 30 degree rule??
BTW, I gave NO ADVICE to anyone about roll bars...I simply said what the rules allow...
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02-10-2005, 04:37 PM
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Originally posted by lightninquick
alright!!!!!!!!!!!!! i can go run tens with no cage at all
fomoco says so
alright!!!!!!!!!!!!! i can go run tens with no cage at all
fomoco says so
When did i say this?
First of all you need a roll BAR not a cage for 10's and even then you are not legal for 10's..
there are several other things you NEED to be able to run 10's
Some of which are not even available yet!!
I certainly hope that all you "SAFETY MINDED" people don't think that you can safely run 10's without all the proper safety equipment!!
Go ahead Sal, Tell them the good news about what else they need to run 10's legally...oh yeah and where they can go to buy these items...LOL
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#68
02-10-2005, 05:10 PM
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Originally posted by fomocofan
When did i say this?
First of all you need a roll BAR not a cage for 10's and even then you are not legal for 10's..
there are several other things you NEED to be able to run 10's
Some of which are not even available yet!!
I certainly hope that all you "SAFETY MINDED" people don't think that you can safely run 10's without all the proper safety equipment!!
Go ahead Sal, Tell them the good news about what else they need to run 10's legally...oh yeah and where they can go to buy these items...LOL
When did i say this?
First of all you need a roll BAR not a cage for 10's and even then you are not legal for 10's..
there are several other things you NEED to be able to run 10's
Some of which are not even available yet!!
I certainly hope that all you "SAFETY MINDED" people don't think that you can safely run 10's without all the proper safety equipment!!
Go ahead Sal, Tell them the good news about what else they need to run 10's legally...oh yeah and where they can go to buy these items...LOL
I'd also be interested in hearing which items you think don't exist for our trucks to legally runs 10s. There's only one that I know of, but you said "some" which means more than one.
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02-10-2005, 05:13 PM
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Well..
We need an SFI balancer...available
We need a trans blanket/shield... a universal blanket is available a shield is not.
We need aftermarket axles....Hmmm NOT AVAILABLE
We need C-clip eliminators....also NOT AVAILABLE
HMMmmm...I guess IHRA and NHRA require these items for safety....so anyone running a 10 w/o these items is risking their lives!
We need an SFI balancer...available
We need a trans blanket/shield... a universal blanket is available a shield is not.
We need aftermarket axles....Hmmm NOT AVAILABLE
We need C-clip eliminators....also NOT AVAILABLE
HMMmmm...I guess IHRA and NHRA require these items for safety....so anyone running a 10 w/o these items is risking their lives!
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02-10-2005, 05:36 PM
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NOW WHO CAN'T READ!!!
look above and read!!
and once again, you don't need a cage only a bar!
LQ, I hope this opens your eyes, it was intended to!
Don't believe what "everybody says", get yourself a rulebook and look into what is actually required!
look above and read!!
and once again, you don't need a cage only a bar!
LQ, I hope this opens your eyes, it was intended to!
Don't believe what "everybody says", get yourself a rulebook and look into what is actually required!
Last edited by fomocofan; 02-10-2005 at 05:39 PM.
#72
02-10-2005, 05:40 PM
Originally posted by fomocofan
NOW WHO CAN'T READ!!!
look above and read!!
and once again, you don't need a cage only a bar!
NOW WHO CAN'T READ!!!
look above and read!!
and once again, you don't need a cage only a bar!
i dont believe that part at all, so i'm not sure about the other statements
pretty funny about not knowing how to read
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02-10-2005, 05:42 PM
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I read just fine!
Nowhere does it say rear bars are required...Sal, is the only one that says that...You want to believe him thats fine..but i have a rule book right here and it doesn't say what he says!!
I think eveyone should get a rule book and read it yourself before they go telling anyone they are wrong or can't read!
YOU obviously have no knowledge of the rules yourself!
Nowhere does it say rear bars are required...Sal, is the only one that says that...You want to believe him thats fine..but i have a rule book right here and it doesn't say what he says!!
I think eveyone should get a rule book and read it yourself before they go telling anyone they are wrong or can't read!
YOU obviously have no knowledge of the rules yourself!
Last edited by fomocofan; 02-10-2005 at 05:47 PM.
#74
02-10-2005, 05:54 PM
so lemme get this strait. we dont need a cage with rear bars but we need a balancer, trans blanket, axles and c-clips?
just how stupid are you? you make forrest gump look like einstein.
just how stupid are you? you make forrest gump look like einstein.
#75
02-10-2005, 05:54 PM
Originally posted by fomocofan
I read just fine!
Nowhere does it say rear bars are required...Sal, is the only one that says that...You want to believe him thats fine..but i have a rule book right here and it doesn't say what he says!!
I think eveyone should get a rule book and read it yourself before they go telling anyone they are wrong or can't read!
YOU obviously have no knowledge of the rules yourself!
I read just fine!
Nowhere does it say rear bars are required...Sal, is the only one that says that...You want to believe him thats fine..but i have a rule book right here and it doesn't say what he says!!
I think eveyone should get a rule book and read it yourself before they go telling anyone they are wrong or can't read!
YOU obviously have no knowledge of the rules yourself!
i was talking about your comment to me not knowing how to read.i was not implying that you did'nt know how to read.
i like to race in the ffw events. and i am sure sal is not the only one that says we need the rear bars
i was not aware of the other items needed.
thanks for your imput