New Dyno #'s are looking better, Thanks Sal
#17
10-12-2005 | 01:22 PM
Senior Member
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 845
Likes: 0
From: ct
#18
10-12-2005 | 01:47 PM
Senior Member
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 440
Likes: 0
Rob you mentioned it many times but Sal really does deserve a lot of credit. As someone in the aftermarket performance market I can appreciate Sals willingness to get you sorted out. From reading the boards for a few years it seems Sal is a great tuner and had his hands tied on what the hell was wrong with your truck. It takes a toll on you when you know the power and performance should be there and it's not for whatever odd reasons.
I'm sure you have a lot of relieved stress yourself.
Now I get to panic until I see what you do on nitrous.
I'm sure you have a lot of relieved stress yourself.
Now I get to panic until I see what you do on nitrous.
#20
10-12-2005 | 02:58 PM
Senior Member
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 538
Likes: 0
From: Norwalk Ct.
Nice to hear good news at last. Good numbers btw and about what was expected imo. I would like to know what unlocked the extra hp as we know an efan is a nice touch(especially at the track) but not responsible for that big a gain. I bet the SCT Maf is a better way to tune than the extender, but the numbers should'nt be that drastic. What else was uncovered?
Jim
Jim
#21
10-12-2005 | 03:51 PM
Thread Starter
|
Senior Member
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 11,153
Likes: 0
From: Selden NY
Thanks again All 
(Ya D me too, I wish it was next Friday and this was behind me
)
and BTW, Sal does deserve Credit
Top Gun (Jim)
I know this will sound weird but what ended up really playing a part believe it or not was changing the Denso's out for NGK BR7's....
I had e-mailed Sal and asked him to change the Denso's out for NGK's because the Denso's def dont take to well to Nitrous. And with me spraying a large amount I really didnt want to make one pass and have cracked porc.
So he installed the Fan, the Maf, and made some passes on the Denso's.
We did show noticable improvement over the old numbers, but then decided to do just that and swap them out for BR-7's. I was not there for the final Dyno's, but when I got there last night the truck was still on the Dyno and Sal had an overlay of the Denso Dyno on top of the NGK Dyno. Strangely enough the SOB picked up like 10/10 on the NGK's alone ??? Add to that help from the Elec Fan, maybe a little help in better response from the Big Air Maf, and a little diff approach in tuning from Sal (high timing down low, low timing up high), and here we are...
(Ya D me too, I wish it was next Friday and this was behind me
)and BTW, Sal does deserve Credit
Top Gun (Jim)
I know this will sound weird but what ended up really playing a part believe it or not was changing the Denso's out for NGK BR7's....
I had e-mailed Sal and asked him to change the Denso's out for NGK's because the Denso's def dont take to well to Nitrous. And with me spraying a large amount I really didnt want to make one pass and have cracked porc.
So he installed the Fan, the Maf, and made some passes on the Denso's.
We did show noticable improvement over the old numbers, but then decided to do just that and swap them out for BR-7's. I was not there for the final Dyno's, but when I got there last night the truck was still on the Dyno and Sal had an overlay of the Denso Dyno on top of the NGK Dyno. Strangely enough the SOB picked up like 10/10 on the NGK's alone ??? Add to that help from the Elec Fan, maybe a little help in better response from the Big Air Maf, and a little diff approach in tuning from Sal (high timing down low, low timing up high), and here we are...
#22
10-12-2005 | 03:57 PM
Former Sponsor
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 987
Likes: 0
From: Freehold,NJ
Originally Posted by Ct.TOPGUN
Nice to hear good news at last. Good numbers btw and about what was expected imo. I would like to know what unlocked the extra hp as we know an efan is a nice touch(especially at the track) but not responsible for that big a gain. I bet the SCT Maf is a better way to tune than the extender, but the numbers should'nt be that drastic. What else was uncovered?
Jim
Jim
JimIII
#24
10-12-2005 | 07:17 PM
Thread Starter
|
Senior Member
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 11,153
Likes: 0
From: Selden NY
WHAT ELSE AINT YOU TELLING ME JIM, come on spill the beans....
It does appear the increase was mostly fan related. We have used the BR7's many times before, I think maybe the increase we saw with the NGK's was more telling me IT24's were maybe a tad too cold. Plus the plug increase may have been more like 5-7 HP / TQ, I was so got dam excited seeeing the 470/615 I cant tell you for sure, hehehehe, but it was "easily noticable". The main thing now is with a little C16, a few more degrees of timing, a little tweak here and there, and I'm right where I belong FINALLY
WHO KNOWS MAYBE I'M ALREADY THERE NOW....
Jim,
You and your Father, Charles, "all the Mag Brothers" have helped me one way or another, AND I THANK ALL OF YOU I picked a lot of brains, I asked a lot of questions, and god knows Sal's tried everything. The good part is things that werent working before, seemed to have started working now, (for example hi timing down low, lower timing up hi). Sals known of that trick, and I've watched him try it numerous times before on my truck with no luck. But now all of a sudden it's working, so just maybe the new injectors, new maf, new tune, and the BR7's are just what the Doctor ordered 
It does appear the increase was mostly fan related. We have used the BR7's many times before, I think maybe the increase we saw with the NGK's was more telling me IT24's were maybe a tad too cold. Plus the plug increase may have been more like 5-7 HP / TQ, I was so got dam excited seeeing the 470/615 I cant tell you for sure, hehehehe, but it was "easily noticable". The main thing now is with a little C16, a few more degrees of timing, a little tweak here and there, and I'm right where I belong FINALLY
WHO KNOWS MAYBE I'M ALREADY THERE NOW....
Jim,
You and your Father, Charles, "all the Mag Brothers" have helped me one way or another, AND I THANK ALL OF YOU
I picked a lot of brains, I asked a lot of questions, and god knows Sal's tried everything. The good part is things that werent working before, seemed to have started working now, (for example hi timing down low, lower timing up hi). Sals known of that trick, and I've watched him try it numerous times before on my truck with no luck. But now all of a sudden it's working, so just maybe the new injectors, new maf, new tune, and the BR7's are just what the Doctor ordered
#27
10-12-2005 | 08:21 PM
Senior Member
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 757
Likes: 0
From: L.I.NEWYORK
SAAAAAAAAAWWWEEEEEEEEETTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!! I though i seen Sal waving his wand under your hood yesterday. I only wish i was there to see it dyno. Thats always a great sight. So when you gonna hit it on the dyno with the juice? That i dont wanna miss! Hopefully we'll be kickin some JLO azz on JDM day. I think im gonna make that one now that its been moved to next friday. Let me know when yoiur leaving and we can caravan there together. I think Tom (Halflife) wants in too. Maybe Josh will brimg his slow azz too if he aint crying poverty.lol...
Jason
Jason
#28
10-12-2005 | 09:00 PM
Former Sponsor
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 987
Likes: 0
From: Freehold,NJ
Originally Posted by Rob_02Lightning
WHAT ELSE AINT YOU TELLING ME JIM, come on spill the beans....
It does appear the increase was mostly fan related. We have used the BR7's many times before, I think maybe the increase we saw with the NGK's was more telling me IT24's were maybe a tad too cold. Plus the plug increase may have been more like 5-7 HP / TQ, I was so got dam excited seeeing the 470/615 I cant tell you for sure, hehehehe, but it was "easily noticable". The main thing now is with a little C16, a few more degrees of timing, a little tweak here and there, and I'm right where I belong FINALLY
WHO KNOWS MAYBE I'M ALREADY THERE NOW....
Jim,
You and your Father, Charles, "all the Mag Brothers" have helped me one way or another, AND I THANK ALL OF YOU I picked a lot of brains, I asked a lot of questions, and god knows Sal's tried everything. The good part is things that werent working before, seemed to have started working now, (for example hi timing down low, lower timing up hi). Sals known of that trick, and I've watched him try it numerous times before on my truck with no luck. But now all of a sudden it's working, so just maybe the new injectors, new maf, new tune, and the BR7's are just what the Doctor ordered
It does appear the increase was mostly fan related. We have used the BR7's many times before, I think maybe the increase we saw with the NGK's was more telling me IT24's were maybe a tad too cold. Plus the plug increase may have been more like 5-7 HP / TQ, I was so got dam excited seeeing the 470/615 I cant tell you for sure, hehehehe, but it was "easily noticable". The main thing now is with a little C16, a few more degrees of timing, a little tweak here and there, and I'm right where I belong FINALLY
WHO KNOWS MAYBE I'M ALREADY THERE NOW....
Jim,
You and your Father, Charles, "all the Mag Brothers" have helped me one way or another, AND I THANK ALL OF YOU
I picked a lot of brains, I asked a lot of questions, and god knows Sal's tried everything. The good part is things that werent working before, seemed to have started working now, (for example hi timing down low, lower timing up hi). Sals known of that trick, and I've watched him try it numerous times before on my truck with no luck. But now all of a sudden it's working, so just maybe the new injectors, new maf, new tune, and the BR7's are just what the Doctor ordered JimIII
#30
10-12-2005 | 09:05 PM
Senior Member
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 3,519
Likes: 0
From: Greater Boston
Fan
I dropped a solid 2 tenths on my ET by changing to a efan and s/b throttle body. I was pretty surprised.
I give credit to Sal for sticking with it and helping Rob get the truck straightened out. I know this was a "budget" buildup but still. With the money Rob spent, would you really expect a guy like Sal to say oh, tough ****, your on your own. He did the motor and the tuning and problem solving comes with it. He didn't have these problems before the changes so obviously something changed somewhere. I went through f'n hell with my truck just by putting headers on it. It was unreal. I swear if i didn't toss my original system it would be back on. I had Jim redyno tune me on the SCT software and he was able to fix it. The extreme lean and rich crap is what I was seeing and it never did it before i did the headers. Talk about off the wall fuel trims. I brought it to a dealer I know and one of their top diagnostic guys looked at it and was horrified. He said this was a screwy enough problem to try to fix but where everything has been modified, it's would be impossible for him to figure it out in a reasonable about of time.
Glad things are getting better. For some reason, i'm still not sold on the valve springs being the issue but with the juice you plan on running, i'm sure it's worth replaceing rather than floating valves.
I give credit to Sal for sticking with it and helping Rob get the truck straightened out. I know this was a "budget" buildup but still. With the money Rob spent, would you really expect a guy like Sal to say oh, tough ****, your on your own. He did the motor and the tuning and problem solving comes with it. He didn't have these problems before the changes so obviously something changed somewhere. I went through f'n hell with my truck just by putting headers on it. It was unreal. I swear if i didn't toss my original system it would be back on. I had Jim redyno tune me on the SCT software and he was able to fix it. The extreme lean and rich crap is what I was seeing and it never did it before i did the headers. Talk about off the wall fuel trims. I brought it to a dealer I know and one of their top diagnostic guys looked at it and was horrified. He said this was a screwy enough problem to try to fix but where everything has been modified, it's would be impossible for him to figure it out in a reasonable about of time.
Glad things are getting better. For some reason, i'm still not sold on the valve springs being the issue but with the juice you plan on running, i'm sure it's worth replaceing rather than floating valves.