New 2.6 Kb Test!
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08-09-2006, 04:40 PM
You show me "any" twin screw with 400K on it and I'll eat my shorts. I have an M90 in my driveway with 428K that will still push 15psi on demand. I expect at least the same with my Lightning.
The twin screws may be good for that ultimate power but you just can't beat the reliability of an Eaton.
But for those that want that big power, enjoy it, but its not for me.
TB
The twin screws may be good for that ultimate power but you just can't beat the reliability of an Eaton.
But for those that want that big power, enjoy it, but its not for me.
TB
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Originally Posted by TrackBeast
You show me "any" twin screw with 400K on it and I'll eat my shorts. I have an M90 in my driveway with 428K that will still push 15psi on demand. I expect at least the same with my Lightning.
The twin screws may be good for that ultimate power but you just can't beat the reliability of an Eaton.
But for those that want that big power, enjoy it, but its not for me.
TB
The twin screws may be good for that ultimate power but you just can't beat the reliability of an Eaton.
But for those that want that big power, enjoy it, but its not for me.
TB
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Originally Posted by Fast Gator
LOL, probably a hell of a lot more than Ken @KB
Nice to see KB coming out with something different. But from all the lies that Ken @KB told me, I've got not much faith in KB
Especially when Ken told me personally that he see's every KB returned for warranty, and he has seen none
I personally know 5 that have returned their KB's, 3 more than once and 1 more than twice
I just hope the new KB doesn't have all the "teething" problems that KB had when they first came out.
As we all know dynos numbers don't mean much, its the ET's that are the real world test. Rumor has it that, the new KB has made several passes.
I know myself and others are interested in the #'s
Nice to see KB coming out with something different. But from all the lies that Ken @KB told me, I've got not much faith in KB
Especially when Ken told me personally that he see's every KB returned for warranty, and he has seen none I personally know 5 that have returned their KB's, 3 more than once and 1 more than twice
I just hope the new KB doesn't have all the "teething" problems that KB had when they first came out.
As we all know dynos numbers don't mean much, its the ET's that are the real world test. Rumor has it that, the new KB has made several passes.
I know myself and others are interested in the #'s
JimIII
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Originally Posted by 01Diablo
Any whippled L's running 9's N20 or not??
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08-09-2006, 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by NCsvt2003L
I believe so far I have the fastest time on just boost with a Whipple at 10.66 with their new style rotors they had in them. Don't know if JJ@WMS broke it at that shootout with the Thunderstruck Truck? BUT, I did put out the same power on a dyno with a KB/JLP Plenum Combo. So I know I could have ran the same time or better with the KB on.
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Johnny,
I don’t agree with Dustin’s claims that our 2.6 flows "more like a 2.4L" or "it’s just an old 2.6 Autorotor." The 2.6L BIG BORE is a brand new design. Even the photos tell you that. You tested our old and new superchargers back to back just as we’ve done.
I believe the confusion about supercharger size and boost comes from not understanding the basics of supercharging. Try this:
A supercharger is merely an air pump that forces more air into an engine that it can normally "pass." Subsequently, there is a build up of "back pressure" or "boost." Just how much depends on ENGINE SIZE and/or ENGINE AIR FLOW(HP).
In other words, a 5.4 with better breathing(air flow) via heads, cams etc. is a larger air pump in relation to the supercharger. Therefore, the supercharger will develop less back pressure/boost. To produce the same boost, the supercharger rpm/air flow must be increased to match the additional engine air flow. For example: Haven’t we all heard of cams and heads lowering boost. One other often overlooked area is engine power consumption. Boost is not the only factor that makes HP. When considering the overall HP a supercharger produces, let’s not overlook it’s POWER CONSUMPTION(parasitic loss). This is the engine HP required to drive the supercharger. We spent a lot of effort in this area. If one supercharger uses less HP to develop it’s boost, that savings will show up at the rear wheels of the truck. As you know, the 2.6L on your truck is the new "H" series (High Boost-HP). These 2.6L superchargers are designed specifically for higher boost applications. Tests indicate up to 22HP reduction in power consumption and 20° cooler air charge temps with the "H" series. We’re proud of that. Our goal was not to offer "just another 2.3L or 2.4L Twin Screw" but instead something better. We’ve spent a lot of time and money testing and developing the BIG BORE 2.8L, 2.6L and 2.1L.
Anyone can look on our website and check out all our boost tests. They are all based on actual datalogged tests. We hide or camouflage nothing and try to be as honest as possible in our testing and advertising.
Well put Jim!..
1 thing is for sure people are going to believe what they want. I choose to believe Hard Facts! Not Just DYNO's but on the 1320! Thats what JLP has been about from day 1 Real World Track Times!..Also the track times will back up what the Dyno shows if its accurate!!..So thats why we took our Test Truck with the NEW 2.6 to the track tonight. we weighed the truck 4600# DAILY Driver!..22# of boost!..No Juice!.The track was not hooking at all. we could only manage a best 60 ft of 1.56! 1.4's will be No problem on a good biting track!.We were very pleased with the results! 10.5 @ 131.5 ALL BOOST! this was only the 4th run on the track!..with a 1.45 60 ft. this would be around a 10.2 pass..Not too Shaby at all!..This blower not only Proved itself on KenneBell's Dyno But on Our JLP Dyno but also on the 1320! were talking 132 mph! Right off the bat!..Believe what you want to believe Its hard Not To with these kind of numbers! NEW KB 2.6!
...JL
I don’t agree with Dustin’s claims that our 2.6 flows "more like a 2.4L" or "it’s just an old 2.6 Autorotor." The 2.6L BIG BORE is a brand new design. Even the photos tell you that. You tested our old and new superchargers back to back just as we’ve done.
I believe the confusion about supercharger size and boost comes from not understanding the basics of supercharging. Try this:
A supercharger is merely an air pump that forces more air into an engine that it can normally "pass." Subsequently, there is a build up of "back pressure" or "boost." Just how much depends on ENGINE SIZE and/or ENGINE AIR FLOW(HP).
In other words, a 5.4 with better breathing(air flow) via heads, cams etc. is a larger air pump in relation to the supercharger. Therefore, the supercharger will develop less back pressure/boost. To produce the same boost, the supercharger rpm/air flow must be increased to match the additional engine air flow. For example: Haven’t we all heard of cams and heads lowering boost. One other often overlooked area is engine power consumption. Boost is not the only factor that makes HP. When considering the overall HP a supercharger produces, let’s not overlook it’s POWER CONSUMPTION(parasitic loss). This is the engine HP required to drive the supercharger. We spent a lot of effort in this area. If one supercharger uses less HP to develop it’s boost, that savings will show up at the rear wheels of the truck. As you know, the 2.6L on your truck is the new "H" series (High Boost-HP). These 2.6L superchargers are designed specifically for higher boost applications. Tests indicate up to 22HP reduction in power consumption and 20° cooler air charge temps with the "H" series. We’re proud of that. Our goal was not to offer "just another 2.3L or 2.4L Twin Screw" but instead something better. We’ve spent a lot of time and money testing and developing the BIG BORE 2.8L, 2.6L and 2.1L.
Anyone can look on our website and check out all our boost tests. They are all based on actual datalogged tests. We hide or camouflage nothing and try to be as honest as possible in our testing and advertising.
Well put Jim!..
1 thing is for sure people are going to believe what they want. I choose to believe Hard Facts! Not Just DYNO's but on the 1320! Thats what JLP has been about from day 1 Real World Track Times!..Also the track times will back up what the Dyno shows if its accurate!!..So thats why we took our Test Truck with the NEW 2.6 to the track tonight. we weighed the truck 4600# DAILY Driver!..22# of boost!..No Juice!.The track was not hooking at all. we could only manage a best 60 ft of 1.56! 1.4's will be No problem on a good biting track!.We were very pleased with the results! 10.5 @ 131.5 ALL BOOST! this was only the 4th run on the track!..with a 1.45 60 ft. this would be around a 10.2 pass..Not too Shaby at all!..This blower not only Proved itself on KenneBell's Dyno But on Our JLP Dyno but also on the 1320! were talking 132 mph! Right off the bat!..Believe what you want to believe Its hard Not To with these kind of numbers! NEW KB 2.6!
...JL
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