Last night I went to the track (RCR) and Caka was there too. He has the new JDM chip and 90mm MAF. I was running Sal's newest chip and filter only. We were both on street tires. The weather was not good for fast times (60 degrees, low pressure and 80% humidity). We ran within one tenth of each other (13.48? to 13.52?). We both put in $20.00 of racing fuel and turned to the race programs. Guess what? NO CHANGE!!! How could this be? It's not that I'm unhappy with Sal's chip, I ran as fast as Caka and I did not have a 90mm MAF or headers or a single blade throttle body as Caka did. But there was no change for either of us. And yes we did clear the computer after changing over to the race mode. Also I thought with the 90mm MAF Caka would kick my butt! If you read all the post you would think this was a must have mod. I'm lost!

Jerry

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Jerry Jordan
99.5 Red Hot Bolt
13.303 @ 101.64(stock F1 tires)
PSP filter and chip
chrome SVT wheels
Impulse Lo-Pro bed cover
94 Firehawk #295 black
71 Cutlass conv.
Piper PA28-235
74 Suzuki TS185 (128 original miles)

 

Does Caka run the new larger filter since he converted to the new MAF? If not, then the bottle neck is the filter assembly for the 80mm. Maybe both the JDM street and the PSP street versions have been optomized very well and there may not be more to be had with the race program?

 

Since i have Sal's latest program also, it might be just that. some of the real fast guys in the low 12's , don't have a long list of mods, just ones that work well together. does JDM have to taper back a little on his program if you add on the 90mm MAF, or can more be added to it if you stay with the stocker

 

Yeah,I think the weather was hurting us. I still can't figure out why I felt no change with the track program though. I pulled up some of my old time slips from the last time I was at the track, and I ran a 13.60@101 with no chip!!! It was alot cooler that day but I used to run 13.50s and 60s @ 100&101 in 100deg. heat!! I'll give this set up another chance this week but if no change it's comming off. I need 12s by the end of April and it doesnt look to promising right now.

By the way,I have the JL filter kit, 90mm, Single TB and latest JDM 2-way chip
Travis

[This message has been edited by Caka (edited 03-24-2001).]

 

$20.00 of race gas? Boy, you guys are the last of the big spenders. Unless your tank was empty the octane increase wouldn't be enough to make any difference. I am currently mixing 10 gallons of 104 to 4-5 gallons of 93 (giving an average octane rating of about 100). You can feel the difference when your average octane gets up above 98. The biggest difference, to me, is your knock sensor system never comes into play, which gives you the ability to run very consistant times, great for bracket racing. Last night I had a buy and ran an 8.55. I lowered my dialin to 8.54 and ran another 8.55. Combined with a .51 lite I won!
noelvm


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"ANYTHING OTHER THAN 1ST, SUCKS" (D.Earnhardt)
99.5 Red Ligntning, Mobil 1, PRO-M 80 MM MAF/filter, Custom Superchip, Eldebrock 5512 muffler, CAL TRACS, MT ET Streets, best time (1/8) 8.19, Bugflector II, G&H Lens covers head & fog, 200 WT Pioneer 4 CH AMP, BOSE 301 SERIES IV SPEAKERS (IN BACK)LONESTAR RACEWAY 2000 ROOKIE OF THE YEAR (AT 56)
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Noel, you could beat me any time with those reaction times (boy am I bad, Travis beat me every time), but your wrong about the fuel. My low fuel light was on and I put 5 gallons of race fuel(103) in. That should have been plenty. I don't think that had anything to do with no change from one side of the chip to the other. By the way both of our times were VERY consistant on the race program, just not any faster!. Travis and I had both read that some guy's were cutting 3 tenths off their street program times with the race program.

 

BBQ, does your new PSP chip ping in street mode? Mine still does just a very little if conditions are right (high pressure/low humidity). I know you don't see much low humidity in La. LOL

Jerry

 

I've got an old Superchip that I got from Andre and the difference between street and strip is .20. The difference between strip and no chip is .45. (These number have to do with 1.8 not 1/4)
Noel

 

Jerry,
I tested these current PSP programs you ALL have, for Sal this past winter in Fl. when he couldn't test. I can tell you this that the Street program (12.57 @ 106.43 mph in 70 degree weather on pump gas) is Kick Butt. The race program makes alot more power down low and you may have been losing the time in your 60 ft that I don't believe you posted. I ran a 12.64 (when I ran the 12.57) on the race program with a .22 tenths slower 60ft then the Street Program.
The Street programs is optomized, the race program will probably give .2-.3 tenths quicker with everything else being equal.
Hope this helps.

Dan

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PSP TOTALLY MODIFIED
Best ET 12.57
Best MPH 107.89
Best 60 ft 1.72
So-Far!!
Man, I LOVE These PSP PRODUCTS!!!
(Thanks Sal!!!!)

 

Correct me if I am wrong. Doesn't the computer need the "learn" the new program? Like several passes? My understanding is that it take a little time for the full effect of the new program to work. My .02.

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2000 Silver Lightning 13.82 (stock)
PSP 4-way
PSP Filter Kit
PSP Lower Pulley
Level 10 Shift kit
Snug-Lid
In the works:
Level 10 converter
4-Link

 

I think I made 8 passes and Jerry made about 6 or 7. Plent of time to "re-learn". The last time when I ran the 1st "race only" chip, the only re-learn time was in the staging lane. Went from 13.20s to 13.1s but with a 4mph increase!! I'm telling you with my Pro-M and 1st JDM race chip (not even programmed for it) my truck ran like an old Ladies panty hose. I couldnt even hook up with slicks that night. Go figure! I'm thinking JDM took a little aggressiveness out of the chip to accomadate for the little oil breather cap, and plus the bad weather = bad times. I'm tired of speculating, will call JDM Monday.

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99 White
JDM chip
JDM 90mm MAF
JDM 5' drive shaft
JL loop
JL Air kit
BaBolt single bore TB
Full Bassani
13.13@104.55


tcaka@austin.rr.com

 

I tested Sals newest programs on the Dyno today and saw 12 hp difference between street and race programs. I had 3/4 tank of 93 plus abottle of penzoil octane boost since the chip pings a little on tip in. I only made one pull in each position so the difference may not be that high....
Best of 374.9 HP and 452 ftlbs with PSP chip and filter.... More dyno results on my web page

Doug

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Silver_2000,
Question? When you did your TWO dyno pulls, Did you clear the PCM before going on to the next program?
Reason being we found that all the fuel tables from the previous program aren't overridden by the next program if you don't clear the PCM first.
Point being, if you were running your first program-Street program, then switched to race program, the street fuel values will still be there for the race program. And may give a lower hp-torque reading.
I know this happened to me when I was tesing chip programs and didn't clear the PCM I would run average .2 tenths slower (don't know how much hp and torque you need to gain .2 tenths though)
Just wondering.

Dan

[This message has been edited by 1RedDevil (edited 03-24-2001).]

 

Thats the problem Dan, It didn't run any quicker. 60' times were the same in both modes (2.00-2.06). I talked to Sal tonight and he said there was very little difference in the two programs. Did you run those times with stock a pulley and the truck at full weight? It seams to me that wet air and low pressure kills these trucks. Last winter with one of the first PSP street programs I ran 13.3, and I know this new program pulls harder than that one.

 

Jerry you are correct. Sals Street program is close to the race program BUT the problem I was having at different tracks was I could hook up better with the street program at crappy tracks but the race program pulled harder at tracks where I could hook up. the WEATHER is 1/2 the battle with these Ls. When the humidity is high, Baro is low and the temp high 85-100+ degrees I can loose .2-.3 tenths or more.
Example: 2 weeks ago at Bradenton FFW we were faced with crappy( launching on BARE CONCRETE) track- 1.90s 60s (where I normally pull 1.70s 60s) 85+ degrees and 25 mph headwind Humidity 60% and Baro 20.89.
I couldn't use my race progam at all (just boiled the ETs) Used my street program ran 12.89 best- 13.0s on race program. Point being Lost .3-.4 tenths to weather, wind and traction.
You are so right about WET weather and LOW PRESSURE kills these blowers-Heat ain't too bad neither!!
Being in Fla. I am lucky if I stay in the 12s in this weather during the summer.
I run all PSP Products including the new lower pulley.
Stock weight( no hitch, spare) including an ARE II lid w/wing unless I get some really cool weather-Yeah Right. In Fla.?

Dan

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PSP TOTALLY MODIFIED
Best ET 12.57
Best MPH 107.89
Best 60 ft 1.72
So-Far!!
Man, I LOVE These PSP PRODUCTS!!!
(Thanks Sal!!!!)