Jim should buy stock in a ice company, if you ever have seen him race you would see the 10 lbs bags of ice he uses to cool down between runs.

Myself I feel the use of nitrous is not cheeting, but if you run nitrous you should be in a different class.

Myself I will never use it on a supercharged vehical.

To just slap a NOS setup on is easy, to set it up correctly and tune it properly is a art.

 

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Don't say BANG to the tuners, especially when the topic is about Nitrous or Boost. It's bad karma.

Spike

 

Now let's all go out and rent MAD MAX. The sign at the shady mechanics garage says it all. SPEED IS JUST A QUESTION OF MONEY. HOW FAST DO YOU WANT TO GO?

We're all trying to get a leg up. Some just want to go faster than others. If the juice gets your motor running then so be it.

 

Spike.....LMAO....OK I'll have to remember that.

Sal....A while back in one of the magazines, they did an interveiw with Billy Gliddon and the subject got around to N20. Basically he said that if you took the amount of spray that he was using and ran through a normal N20 system it would make about 35 hp. Those same jets on his manifold makes over 250 hp. Tell me that boy don't know a thing or two about nitrous. Of course he would be happy to sell you that technology.....for a price.
Dale

 

Now sal!
What I said is how I feel about N2O. It's like fighting a Samuri with a gun. One has a skill and disiplin. The other has a triger. I have a better appreciation for someone who has the skill and knowledge to make engines go fast without the help of N2O.

Yes, N2O is a bolt on part. With N2O comes the saying "Can you beat me without it." N2O has never really been seen as a respectable way of wining. Why? Because their is no skill involved. Just a triger.

There is another well known and respected Lightning Guru that shares in his knowledge and shows his skills from time to time with pictures. T-Bodys,exhaust tips, polished Super chargers and One piece inlet tubes with Mass air meter built in.

Always trying to take a part to the next level and make it look good. This thread is about (preference)! No one is wrong here. Just people being able to vioce their views and opinions.

It used to be if you raced and were beat with skill and a better built engine. You gained respect for that persons mechanical abilitys.

What's to appreciate about someone that can run on a bottle?
If your going to beat me. Do it with skill and the ability to make engines and or components perform better.

As for all the bolt on's. Non compare to the performance gains you get with N2O!! People hate to get beat by an add on like N2O. I know there's not much to a pulley so how can I put down N2O and not other add on's? N2O is just too easy! Very little work.

Speedin Bob, I respect peoples right to choose weather I agree with them or not.

 

And it gets only better!!!!!!

 

CornerCarver, I run a stock upper and a 4 lb lower. With the 150 shot on top of that, the stock bottom end would not be able to handle that very long. When running the spray, you have to carefully select your boost level. You can run a 125 shot with stock boost. You can run a 100 shot with a 2 lb pulley. Anything larger and you have to lower the boost. A 4 lb would need to drop down to a 75 shot, or even a 50 shot. You have to keep the cylinder pressures in check, and since nitrous and pulleys DO THE SAME THING, they have to be balanced.

I made my original post to educate people about the fine art of running and tuning nitrous. I did so because other people were "insinuating" that nitrous is some how an "easy" way to increase hp. It's not different than cranking up the boost for a blower and turning up the wastegate on a turbo. Power is power. The talent comes from the tuning. I made my post to try to open peoples eyes and gain some respect for the hard work I've done. Aparently some people are very close minded to this subject and I've even seem to LOST some respect here, which just amazes me.

If you want to make more power with a power adder, there are three ways:

1. Nitrous- you add the amount of required power by changing the jetting.

2. Blower- you add the amount of required power by changing the pulleys.

3. Turbo- you add the amount of required power by adjusting the wastegate.

All three above methods do that same thing, they increase amount of air and fuel going into the cylinders. How can anyone honestly say any one of those mods is "cheating"?? Why is someone using nitrous to increase cylinder pressure looked at differently than someone who installs 6-8 lbs worth of pulleys to get the same end result?

 

Nitrous is a power adder. A supercharger is a power adder. Nitrous and a supercharger is..............well, you get the picture. If you want to go faster.........add an adder. (No Mr. BBQ, not a snake or a calculator)

 

When Jim blew his motor at FFW Ennis 2001, he knocked three holes in the block. That is alot of cyclender pressure to make that happen.

On both motors that we have broken, the rod broke but didn't knock a hole in the block useing nitrous. We even drove it around a while on seven cyclenders not knowing we blew another motor for alittle while.

So, from what I seen, a big boost motor will blow harder than a nitrous motor when and if it lets go.

Either way you still make the power, while the motor is together, and go fast.

 

In regards to the argument of "cheap horsepower"...
Gen2 N20 kit- $1,000.
Gen2 Upper/Lower Pullies- ~$600.

Hmmmm...what setup is cheaper?

If cylinder pressure is cheating, I guess we're all breaking the rules.

 

SAl keep up the good work! if people want to cry let them cry. your going fast and that's all that counts. Juice,Big&Small pullies,or 10bags of ice! To each his own.

 

just for the record...... i respect anybody that has enuf sense to own an L regardless of how or if they make it go faster! i do agree that possibly a classification for w/wo n2o possibly should exist but bracket racing kinda takes that into consideration too. i think that those citing the "refill" issue probably haven't changed pullies cause if they did they would understand that octane boost would be "refillable" too!! obviously we are all possessed by these trucks, ain't we? .................. jack

 

A question to put this into perspective...

Is sex enhanced with Viagra really sex at all?

If your answer is yes, then how is using N20 cheating?

If your answer is no, you must be as young as RTKILLA...

Just another .02 from a different angle.

 

I read where Clinton had a different 'angle'........

Dan