they have to do the R & d to know if they are hungry, how hungry 2 , 3, 4 chili or no chili, chips or fries, small or large coke, dine in or out. why not pay them to send a taxi to your house, they really dont expect you to drive yourself there do they? customer service begins and ends at a certain point.

now you could pay a shop the shop rate to drive it to a scale and get it weighed if that is what you want to do with your money, go ahead and pay them to wash wax and fill it up with gas while you are at it. a place that tunes and installs supercharger has as much business weighing your car as they have waxing it. get a clue, all but the very high end shops (roush, saleen) do not have scales.

we are talking about 13 and 14 second HEAVY trucks that most could guesstimate. i know people with 9 second cars that have never been weighed.

name me a speed shop that installs parts that has a scale? if you are serious about speed then go to the track they have scales there, no charge. you have taken your truck to the track?

i go to the hot dog place because i like hotdog, i go to a tuner to get tuned. Most here have not even had there trucks on a dyno which would provide better info than a scale.

 

1. eh, yea, right. . . what you said

2. but does your 'tuner' even have access to one? (dyno, machine shop, etc.)

how do you know your tuners mods work and that they are indeed passing them along to you in return for your cash? posted time slips on an website or other more tangible methods.

ever here of a viper tuner named hennessy down Houston way?

This post or any of my other post have not been meant as a flame against skid/crash, inc. I just thought it strange that when a tuner writes in post after post about how when they get a 'project truck' they start with the lightest V-8 equipt model and then don't know what the weight is when a quick trip could be made to verify it. This IS a 'project truck' I have been posting about, one that would be used by them to 'tout' or 'showcase' the product and services to be sold, NOT a customer truck.

 

you know you get the product and work by the big thing under the hood that whines. if you can't feel the differnce of s/c then your tuner sux. or buy a g-tech for under $150.

Common sense tell anyone that a single cab short bed 4.6, 5 spd is the lightest v-8 f150, is a trip to the scales really neccessary to prove that? flare side, fleet side are within 100 lbs so that is really spilting hairs. both are light compared to a screw or a s/c.

hennesey tunes 70k plus cars and gets idiot to front the money before work is done. maybe he has a scale to lure in stupid people to think he is somthing special (hennesey really hosed some people and got taken to court over it).

In Houston most tuners have some light machining capabilty but most rely on specialty machince shop to do the work - certain guys are gurus of head work , others specialise in transmissions and other specialise in setting up rear end and suspension, very few do it all and the ones that do form out the work (read mark up $$$) to the specialty places. dynos seem to be showing up in a lot of shops and i think it is a money making tool. i have been told that a good operator can make them read what they want them to read. a dyno is only usefull if you dyno it before modifications, then after modifications then have the software and hardware to start burning chips to get the right combination. dont know what it cost but it could not be cheap.

 

BROTHERDAVE:

I never said the dealer weighed it... I looked at the shipping receipt on my truck... and another thing.... THEY have to be right, or close to it.... after there is a regulation on semi truck weight on the roads.

btw, YES I have weighed my truck at the track. w/ me in it 3,905lbs. I had 1/2 tank... no passenger side seat and no winshield resevior tank (like it makes a difference )

My sticker renewel form states my truck as being at 3,900lbs also.

I have the lighest F150 combo made

 

talleyman i was referring that to petrol. i said lightest v-8. when are you going to the track to try the no2?

 

Dunno

 

Duh, gee, thanks for the schoolin

I don't know why you keep keying on the 'scales' thing. I mentioned it only as a tool, much like a dyno, a shop doesn't need to have one, but should at least know where one is.

A dyno as a money maker, you bet. Nothing like a good before and after run to verifiey performance claims by overzelous tuners (10 second 1/4s on street tires, Hard treaded & skinny load range Es no less) and yes digital vidio can be worked

I applaud all the hard work that crash/skid have done to help everyone here to have a faster truck, I just, like many others who posted to this thread, have problems with the claims made for blue. I am sure that if they did in fact perform the feat that I soon will be eating plenty of crow and I will readily accept it.

I mention hennessy for the very reasons you noted. Nothing like paying upfront for high perfomance internal engine parts that don't get installed The whole point was to send the message that snake oil salesman can be made out of well intentioned men.

 

hey crash the track has a scale! petrol, now crash has access to a scale, scale issue CLOSED!

Petro this thread is a year old and all the fireworks took place then, we really dont need to go there again do we. this thread was reactivated by someone other than crash or skid. btw i dont believe the 10 second slip but also dont want to believe they lied about it. maybe the timers we messed up or the slip was read wrong.

comparing their actions to hennesy is really not fair either. skid made a claim, no one lost money over it, they are not claiming to duplicate it for a customer. no one got taken to court over it.

hennesy took a new viper from a customer with the promise of over a high hp. engine, took money up front (alot over 50k) and then proceeded to part the car out and speed the money. the case ended uop going to court i think. the guy did build some very fast vipers though. (this is the story being told anyway)
I have not seen any complaints here about crash overcharging or making performance promises that could not be backed up , have you.

dont now you motives but i'm through with it you have the last word.

 

S&B filter

 

Hehe, do you mean besides pistons and rods?

 

Belt & Pulley . . . and LOTS of good Luck to keep the engine together at roughly 30 PSI