Well dcd, what's your answer to this problem?
On my post that read a $ 1000.00. that is what it cost to have one put in at the factory.....Now do you understand?

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fordyfour

2000 4X2 Oxford
White/Harvest Gold
Flareside Lariat S/C
5.4L,3.55 Ls
Tow Package
True duals(Dynomax
Turbos), K&N Filter, with
a 71¢,3" PVC fresh air
tube
Super White Headlamps
JL 10" W0 sub (enclosed)
ALL amps and speakers
Kenwood
Superchip

 

I was trying to find a page that explained what had been revamped on the 4R70W, but instead found this page:

http://www.thegrid.net/thedrivetrainpage/whtobuy.htm

It's a bit of a flame on Fords, so be forewarned.



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'99 Lariat Supercab 4x4 SS
5.4L, 3.73 Diff (9.75" LSD Rear, 8.8" Front)
ORP: Skid Plates, LT265/70R17 GY Wrang. AT/S
Group III towing: HD Electrical/Cooling, GVWR 6500# (Extra leaf spring).
Step Bars
4W Disc anti-lock brakes
K&N filter
Stock Items That Differ Across F150s: Steel Driveshaft, Oil filter bolted to engine w/ drip guard, 4R70W transmission.

 

Is this the one you were looking for?
http://www.tccoa.com/transmission/

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97 F-150 SC Lariat, Styleside, White over Gold, 4.6L (Windsor), Automatic, 3.55 rear end, electronic 4X4, w/ every option of Lariat and ORP packages except the 17" wheels (I even got the OR decals now!) MOD's so far: K&N air box mod, Gibson Super Truck, clear Bugflector II, Leer TSC 600 hard cover, Bridgestone Dueler OWL ATP 265/75 R-16's, TrailMaster Invader N7 shocks, Smittybilt step bars, Ford moulded mud guards, "White-white" head lamps, Cloud Rider Design's SS Grill and bumper opening, Bosch Platinum + 4's, Hayden 30K+ Tranny Cooler,Class III Reece load distributing hitch system, full wiring including trailer battery charging system, Escort Sensor II Brake controller, Superchip

 

Thats an interesting site Cphillip. Now about the bullet proof tranny...

 

cphilip

Thats a great link on the 4R70W. It also has a good discussion on critical speed (chap 17). Looks like this could occur below 100mph on the F150/Expy, more info is needed, mainly mass of driveshaft. Should we warn the folks over on the engine posts who are trying to re-program the speed limiter ? Seems like 82mph would be low for a limit unless maybe a 4.10 rear is installed and a heavy driveshaft. Next thing you know they will want forums on NVH then driveline failures.

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'99 EB Expy 4x4, 5.4L, 3.73 w/tow pkg, Ox White, 4WAS Air Suspended
Stock except for: Auxiliary Battery, Re-located CD Player

 

Thanks cphilip, that's the one.

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'99 Lariat Supercab 4x4 SS
5.4L, 3.73 Diff (9.75" LSD Rear, 8.8" Front)
ORP: Skid Plates, LT265/70R17 GY Wrang. AT/S
Group III towing: HD Electrical/Cooling, GVWR 6500# (Extra leaf spring).
Step Bars
4W Disc anti-lock brakes
K&N filter
Stock Items That Differ Across F150s: Steel Driveshaft, Oil filter bolted to engine w/ drip guard, 4R70W transmission.

 

Someone else gave it to us in an earlier post and I wish I could remember who so I could give him/her credit. It was so good I bookmarked it. I am going to rebuild mine bullet proof if it ever goes out! Hope it already is though But lets not forget that overall this guy likes the tranny pretty well. Breath a sigh of relief all of us 4R70W people. Or maybe we can just live in our own little world of denial a little longer?

 

The 4R100 is an upgraded E4OD. Different valve body and different programming. Not sure what else is different. I know that they drive a whole lot better and shift a whole lot better than the E4OD did. E4OD engaged the TCC when it shifted so it always had a clunky slow shift and felt really sloppy. There were tons of shift kits that would allow you to either let the PCM control the TCC or let you bypass it until you got to highway speeds. My 99 Lightning has the 4R100 in it and it shifts great. The only quirk ive noticed in it is that it doesnt really engine brake when you take it out of OD going down hills- anyone else noticed that? I can feel minor engine braking but the engine drops to idle and the trans overruns until you bring the engine back up to speed. But it will engine brake in OD.

 

I am looking at a 2000 F250 Super Duty right now. It is in my driveway even as I type (on loan for trial).It has the 4R100 transmission in it. It has the "E" code under "TR" on the door sticker. Thus I conclude that "E" = 4R100 transmission. (or is that E =MC squared? )

 

I stumbled across this in my owners manual pge 216,if you check your transmission dipstick it will either say Mercon ATF or Mercon V ATF,if you have Mercon ATF you have the 4R100 trans if it says Mercon V ATF you have the 4R70W trans,you can't mix the fluids.I was trying to find out if I have th e trans and oil cooling.Does any one know how to find out?I do have a smaller radiator down low by the bigger radiator also have the 3.73 gears along with 130 amp alternator so I'm assuming I have the cooling package.Can't find my dealers sticker to tell me what options I have.Is there any place you can type in your vec ID to tell how your truck came from factory?

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99 F250 XLT LD 4X4 S/C,5.4,3.73 Limited slip,Bright red clearcoat ,4whl abs,remote start w/keyless entry and alarm,chrome rims,tinted,westin nerf bars,factory tonneau,superchip,K&NGen II fipk,pioneer in dash cd,pioneer amp,infinity kappas all around,Lund front runner bug sheild.Gibson split rear,stull SS grilles.

 

UNFORTUNATELY the early 97 or so F150's also used Mercon ATF so that is not the best way to tell. If you look at the sticker on the drivers side of the door it will have a single letter under the letters "TR". It will either be "U" for 4R70W or "E" for 4R100. There is a thread on the rear ends some where here that will indicate how to tell those. If I rememeber correctly H9 = 3.55 limited slip and 19 = 3.55 regular axle and so on. I cannot recall the numbers for the 3.73's. do a search here and you will find it.

The tranny cooler is another matter. If you did not get the towing package it does not have one. (easy to add however)That little cooler you see up fron is the power steering cooler. It is aproximately 4 inches by 6 inches. A tranny cooler is (about) 10 to 12 inches by 24 or so inches and located between the air conditioner (condenser) cooler and the real radiator itself. only visible between the two and hard to see. I just spent the whole day crawling under one to trace all the tubes and confirm this.

[This message has been edited by cphilip (edited 03-12-2000).]

 

Okay, I just have to clear this up before it get's real confusing.

I work at Sharonville Transmission, where all of the 4R100's and some of the 4R70W's are built. (only the car models of 4R70w's, the truck ones are built at Livonia)
First, when the model year switched, the name of the E4OD changed, but other than the normal year to year changes they're the same tranny. The 4R100s are newer, and an upgrade but not much more than a '00 is newer than a '99.
Second, there are currently 30 variations of the 4R100, differnt combinations of OPS, pans (some are plugged some not), valve bodies, clutch packages, 2WD or 4WD, 6 or 4 bolt converters, differnt converter ratings, modular(gas) or desiel cases, normal or PTO (power take off, availible in modular or desiel) etc...For instance, if you have a Lightning, you have a 4R100 model 1S, which has the big output shaft, 6 bolt convertor with a blue dot ( I honestly don't know much about converters, we have about 10 differnt ones and I only know which color goes in which model) a balnced white overdrive assembly etc...to separate it from the other models.
My personal opinion, don't spend a dime to upgrade a 4R100, it's damn near indestuctable. The point I wanna make is that this box is rated for 1000 ft/lbs of torque and if you're pulling that much torque nothing you can buy from anyone but NASA is gonna be an actual help to you. It's the KING KONG of trannys, trust me.
The names of transmissions are codes, the first number is how many gears, next is a letter that shows drive orientation R for Rear Wheel, X for front wheel. (primary) the next numbers are the torque rating less one zero, so a 4R70w is 700 ft/lbs, a 4R1000 is 1000 ft/lbs. The last letter is ussualy a designator of something, W is for Wide Ratio. There is also a 5R55N for narrow ratio, (goes in Jags and Lincoln LS), but the 5R55E is a totally different tranny (Ranger 4.0L and explorers). The E is for Electronic. This tranny and the 4R44E are direct decendents of the A4LD.
The 4R70W is for all 6 cylinder F series trucks and also goes in Lincolns, Crown Vics, most F-150s and v-8 Explorers.
The 4R100 goes in Lightnings, Cal Emissions F-150s and Superduty truck, Vans and Stipped Chasis.
I've rambled a bit but too much was being said that was part true and it was getting kinda confusing.
If you have any 4R100 questions, e-mail me, I'm pretty good with them, and if I don't know I can certainly find out.
Hope this helps.

GBE

[This message has been edited by Factory_Tech (edited 03-24-2000).]

 

Very good description!

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1999 F250 SD CC, LWB, 5.4L, Auto, 3.73, 4x4, Power TT mirrors w/ marker lights, White, Full Tint, PendaPro SR, Flowmaster Delta 40 series, K&N filtercharger, Superchip (Airbox removed for a second try, maybe in the winter it will be advantagous?) Lund Elite soft tonneau

www.angelfire.com/pa3/spaceace/index.html

 

You must mean prior to 99, because my 2000 has a 4R70W in it with the infamous green sticker. Can you give us any insight into what the green sticker is all about.

LHM

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2000 F-150 Super Cab XLT 4x4 ORP 5.4liter V8, Towing Package, Rear Slider, Remote keyless Entry,3.55 LS, Black Exterior, Medium Graphite interior, manual shift 4x4. Current mods Gooseneck hitch, mud flaps and Y pipe with duals.

 

Factory_Tech
I have a lot of questions...what is your e-mail? Mine is in my signature. Steve does not show e-mails in user profiles. I have a '98 F150 4X4, and according to you I have the indestructable 4R100. I have had a shudder problem since about 7k miles (now 25k)Dealer service (and I use that term loosly) says everything is operating to spec's. Some say fluid change solves problem temporarly but it comes back. Can I use synthetic fluid after a thourough flush and filter change? I have many more questions. I,m sorry if I sound angry, but it is not directed at you. I love my truck and I have done some great mods to make it even better (see sig.)I can power right through the shudder (between 35 and 45 mph) but when you have to follow traffic at about 40 mph the truck shudders very badly! I am finally going to have the fliud changed by a transmission shop because I don't trust the dealer to even do that right!

Jim Mc

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JAMES PATRICK MCGUIGAN
98 Lariat 5.4 4X4 SC SB Tow ORP
Superchipped!
K&N
WMS Velocity tube
Gibson Sport Truck exhaust
Edelbrock IAS
JBA Headers
Clear front corners
16X8 Centerline Billet Wheels 285 75 16 BFG AT's

jimmac@ismi.net



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