If you dont want to read it, stick the monitor up your freakin ****.

 

Oh and hey, this thread IS about synthetics. So why the hell are you here if you dont want to read about it? Go away. Its very simple. No one will miss you.

 

hey, no profanity!!! you are no better than i am. it is you who should make like a tree and leave if you dont like it. GET LOST!!!

 

Piperc - you don't like them or see the value, then don't use them. Simple enough.

Nick - the original posting was not in reference to a racing engine. I was simply stating my experience with synthetics and why I won't run anything but synthetics now. I have seen high mileage street engines and can tell you that there were significant differences in the amount of wear in conventional versus synthetic.

There are some of us who really care about our vehicles. You can always tell the difference between the people who are satisfied with "good enough" and those, like Bullit and myself, who are at a level above and only want the best. That is not meant to slam anyone, some people just take more pride in a job well done.

 

So does this mean synthetic blend is no better than regular oil?

 

Maybe it was just me, but I had a bad experience with RP in my old truck. It worked fine in Texas, I never saw any performance gains though. I drove up to Minneapolis for Thanksgiving, went to start the truck the next morning, 20 below 0, truck was very, very hard to start, would stall as soon as I took my foot off the gas. Took a good 15 minutes to warm up enough that i could take my foot off the gas and let it idle. Next few days up there it was the same until the temp was above 0.
got back to Texas and changed oil, back to plain-jane Pennzoil. Went back up for Christmas, 20 below, truck started up fine, warmed up fine.
I had always heard that the synthetics handled temp extremes better than conventional. but that was the only thing that changed, and i had back luck.

 

 

It is marginally better.

 

FORD MOTORCRAFT 5/20 SYNTHETIC 1.42 A QUART AT WALLYWORLD NEED I SAY MORE. 820-S FILTER 2.00 SAME PLACE AND 10 MINUTES OF OUR TIME AND IT COSTS 8.42 CENTS FOR AN OIL CHANGE. SIMPLE REALLY.

 

A synthetic blend is simply an advertising ploy! There's been syn blends around since the mid 60s, their called additives. These companies advertise blends and all they are doing is pitching their additives (which usually are synthetic, but have been since additives were introduced) as "blends". Crock!
Jeeps&Fords, Do you put helium in your tires, that would be better. Do you put industrial grade gear lube in your diffs? Do you rotate your tires about every 4-5 days? Do you change your battery once a month? Do you check your gear mesh and backlash on your diffs one a year and bring them back to the low side of the tolerance? Do you skin cut your rotors once a year? Do you put a dial indicator on your wheels twice a year and buy a new wheel if you have over .009 runout in any plane? All these things and many other ridiculous tasks can be done without reason and that doesn't mean you have more "pride" or "care" for your vehicle, it usually means you just don't know any better. If engines in vehicles were failing due to internal engine wear at a measurable rate, then I could understand using them for "protection" reasons. But the simple facts are they're not! Usually if an engine fails due to lubrication it's because of the lack thereof lubrication "no oil". It's typical to see people that don't really maintain their vehicle properly, nor care about the same things we do, get 200K plus out of their engines. I agree syns are better, but in most cases they're just not necessary. My reason for using them is so I can run 10 to 12 K between oil changes.

 

well, if you are against synthetic oil 100%, they why do you run them? it sounds to me that you would run "cheap" oil if you were for them. its like saying candy is bad for your health, and then eating candy

 

Nick - you have "issues".

To answer your questions -

Helium - no, as the finer molecular structure allows it to permeate the rubber and they would lose pressure. I use nitrogen because it is totally inert.

Industrial gear lube - no, but I do use synthetics.

Tires every 4-5 days - no, but I do make sure they get rotated when they are supposed to.

Battery once a month - change it, no, but I do inspect the cables weekly when I check the rest of the underhood items.

Backlash on gears - no, as readjusting would ruin the wear pattern and would probably cause them to start making noise. Plus, with the use if synthetics I have not found enough wear to justify any type of adjustment. Backlash on my Ranger was .0042 when I bought it new and put in the synthetic lube, and it was about .0045 when I changed the lube at 125K miles.

Cut my rotors - only when I change the brakes, or when I have absolutely abused them and warped the rotors (happens when you drive fast). I do give them a quick scuff whenever I have the tires off.

Dial indicator on my wheels - no, but I do give them a quick inspection when I check my nitrogen pressure once a month.

I agree that these can be done "without reason" as you put it, but someone who is a true enthusiast will do it, and they do it because they really do care. Well, except for the nitrogen...I just use that in my shocks.

 

Jeeps&Fords, Dude, if you knew those things- hats off to you! You really are a true enthusiast. I was just clowning. But you're correct, N2 is about 6 or 7 times more dense than HE.

piperc, Read my post, it clearly states the "only" reason I personally use syns. And, I'm not 100% "against" syns, like I stated before, most applications don't dictate their need (in my opinion) to be used. Candy is bad for you, so I eat pro-max and LaBrada bars. Try 'em, they're pretty good 17 and 28 grams of protien each.

 

omfg.....:o :o

 

Yeah, we got a little whacky on this one.