Supercharger Questions
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05-08-2000 | 06:38 PM
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Supercharger Questions
I'm wanting a supercharger for my '98 f-250 ld,but I'm skeptical about what it will do to my engines longevity. Is the bottom end of a '98 5.4 basically the same as a new Lightning? I would use the extra power for towing,Can the automatic tranny hold up? Since I still owe for 4 more years on my truck I don't want to have to replace engine and/or tranny anytime soon. Any input will be appreciated. Thanks, Darrell
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05-08-2000 | 07:23 PM
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Magnacharger is the way to go!
Take a look at the Magnacharger thread!
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05-12-2000 | 12:58 AM
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Trigger, I have a Magnacharger on my 97 f150, I have the 5.4 and I love it. I did a lot of research on superchargers before I purchased one. I still have the reliability of a stock motor but when I push the gas I also have a huge smile on my face. I live at an altitude of 6000 ft and really needed the power for pulling, since you lose about 4% per thousand ft of altitude. I also put the truck on a dyno and have 56 rear wheel horse power extra on paper at 60mph.
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05-16-2000 | 04:09 PM
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sheen,
Did you do any research on the Whipple supercharger? Theirs is a twin-screw type versus a roots or centrifugal. According to info found on whipplesuperchargers.com, the twin-screw is more efficient and runs cooler without an intercooler than both of the others. Price-wise it's competitive with other blowers. Whipple's tests show a 50% increase in horsepower and torque. Just seeking an opinion. Thanks in advance for any replies.
crash1,
I read that thread, and I recall the Procharger being mentioned as the best overall blower. What are your reasons for going with the Magnacharger? Just curious, thanks.
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Did you do any research on the Whipple supercharger? Theirs is a twin-screw type versus a roots or centrifugal. According to info found on whipplesuperchargers.com, the twin-screw is more efficient and runs cooler without an intercooler than both of the others. Price-wise it's competitive with other blowers. Whipple's tests show a 50% increase in horsepower and torque. Just seeking an opinion. Thanks in advance for any replies.
crash1,
I read that thread, and I recall the Procharger being mentioned as the best overall blower. What are your reasons for going with the Magnacharger? Just curious, thanks.
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05-17-2000 | 01:01 AM
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32ndWAVE,
I did check out Kenne Bell and they retard the timing and dump more fuel to keep the engine cool. My intercooler is water to air not air to air, which does allow for more boost without retarding the timing or having a fuel problem. Don't forget the #'s I got were 6k ft. above sea level. I also read in another room that someone was having troubles w/Kenne Bell. Check the Magna Charger room.
I did check out Kenne Bell and they retard the timing and dump more fuel to keep the engine cool. My intercooler is water to air not air to air, which does allow for more boost without retarding the timing or having a fuel problem. Don't forget the #'s I got were 6k ft. above sea level. I also read in another room that someone was having troubles w/Kenne Bell. Check the Magna Charger room.
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05-18-2000 | 11:59 AM
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The main reason is the massive increase in bottom end torque.
Instant boost- max at 1800 engine RPM.
Powerband rises in the RPM range due to the short, tapered runners in the intake manifold.
The IMTV is removed, as the intake manifold is replaced. Others, such as Kenne Bell, use the stock intake.
The unit has liquid-to-air intercooling. This increases abdiatic efficiency. In other words, you get a cooler, denser intake charge.
The configuration is very compact, the compressor mounts where the plenum once resided. It also lends itself to ram-air with few modifications.
The Magnacharger is installed as a dealer option on new trucks, and will NOT void warranty.
This kit is designed to OEM standards for extended highway use.
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Instant boost- max at 1800 engine RPM.
Powerband rises in the RPM range due to the short, tapered runners in the intake manifold.
The IMTV is removed, as the intake manifold is replaced. Others, such as Kenne Bell, use the stock intake.
The unit has liquid-to-air intercooling. This increases abdiatic efficiency. In other words, you get a cooler, denser intake charge.
The configuration is very compact, the compressor mounts where the plenum once resided. It also lends itself to ram-air with few modifications.
The Magnacharger is installed as a dealer option on new trucks, and will NOT void warranty.
This kit is designed to OEM standards for extended highway use.
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05-18-2000 | 12:25 PM
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05-18-2000 | 02:05 PM
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I too am getting ready to SC. After much research, I have concluded that the Magnuson charger will be the one.
If you call Magnuson at 805-642-8833 and talk to Chris you will get the straight scoop. No sales hype or weaseling. He knows his stuff and is VERY helpful. my .02
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If you call Magnuson at 805-642-8833 and talk to Chris you will get the straight scoop. No sales hype or weaseling. He knows his stuff and is VERY helpful. my .02
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05-19-2000 | 12:08 PM
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05-20-2000 | 12:20 AM
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When is the Supercharger Rebuild? At what mileage do the Magnachargers need new seals?
Just curious, was thinking of adding a Supercharger myself and heard that the KenneBell needed rebuild after 15k miles. So it just didnt seem worth it.
I have a 4.6L Expy and could really use the extra power since my truck weighs 5 kips
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Just curious, was thinking of adding a Supercharger myself and heard that the KenneBell needed rebuild after 15k miles. So it just didnt seem worth it.
I have a 4.6L Expy and could really use the extra power since my truck weighs 5 kips
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05-20-2000 | 07:47 PM
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To me, a compressor that needs to be rebuilt at 15k is not worth buying.
The M90 is used in many OEM applications, so I believe it will be trouble free for about 100k. I will post an answer to that specific question soon.
Remember, this kit is designed for extended HIGHWAY use.
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The M90 is used in many OEM applications, so I believe it will be trouble free for about 100k. I will post an answer to that specific question soon.
Remember, this kit is designed for extended HIGHWAY use.
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05-22-2000 | 04:56 PM
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05-24-2000 | 10:17 AM
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Here is the response to your question:
15,000 miles? No thanks.
Guys, I am making the Magnacharger and Allen kits available to you. I will be up and running soon.
Keep an eye on the vendor section.
Derek
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Hi, Derek
We typically see 105,000 to 110,000 mile life from most Eaton supercharger applications before the supercharger needs to be rebuilt. In some cases when the vehicle accrues many highway miles, or when the throttle is rarely applied abruptly, we have seen the superchargers last approximately 240,000 miles.
Best regards,
Chris Weisberg
Technical Director
Magnuson Products
We typically see 105,000 to 110,000 mile life from most Eaton supercharger applications before the supercharger needs to be rebuilt. In some cases when the vehicle accrues many highway miles, or when the throttle is rarely applied abruptly, we have seen the superchargers last approximately 240,000 miles.
Best regards,
Chris Weisberg
Technical Director
Magnuson Products
15,000 miles? No thanks.
Guys, I am making the Magnacharger and Allen kits available to you. I will be up and running soon.
Keep an eye on the vendor section.
Derek
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05-24-2000 | 09:38 PM
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I thought Blueoval might like to see the most recent correspondence from Chris...
No problem, Derek.
Something I keep forgetting to mention to you but thought you in particular would find interesting was that I recently saw a customer with a 2000 model-year Expedition (5.4) who installed our supercharger kit as well as JBA shorty headers, a single cat-back exhaust, some sort of large element air filter, and if I remember correctly a larger air mass meter. It produced around 330 rear wheel horsepower compared to 195 bone stock and 285 with just the supercharger kit.
As you may know, the kit was designed for use with completely stock vehicles, so we offer no information regarding the effects of other modifications since we haven't tested nor evaluated aftermarket exhaust systems and so on. However, I thought you might find the information interesting.
Best regards,
Chris Weisberg
Technical Director
Magnuson Products
BTW- I have edited some of the above posts.
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No problem, Derek.
Something I keep forgetting to mention to you but thought you in particular would find interesting was that I recently saw a customer with a 2000 model-year Expedition (5.4) who installed our supercharger kit as well as JBA shorty headers, a single cat-back exhaust, some sort of large element air filter, and if I remember correctly a larger air mass meter. It produced around 330 rear wheel horsepower compared to 195 bone stock and 285 with just the supercharger kit.
As you may know, the kit was designed for use with completely stock vehicles, so we offer no information regarding the effects of other modifications since we haven't tested nor evaluated aftermarket exhaust systems and so on. However, I thought you might find the information interesting.
Best regards,
Chris Weisberg
Technical Director
Magnuson Products
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